“take-charge”, ruthless, demanding, manipulative and apparently “results-oriented” managers, often psychopaths
Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by Jakes51
However, it is not just the work world, but the world in general. An honest person will get eaten up by the wolves. So, it is as though the competitive nature that is instilled in us since children, almost foments psychopathic tendencies in us all to survive. If one is not willing to act like the wolves, then they will be devoured by them. I suppose it is the law of nature? However, I agree with you, that fairness, integrity, compassion, and accountability seems very distant at the moment. As things get harder and more difficult, the more ruthless people will become to survive.
A true and telling observation, Jakes51. It is a message worth a good deal of thought. I do believe competition and striving for excellence, challenging self and others, etc. to be good and necessary attributes and of course integrity, compassion and accountability (as you mentioned) but is it not possible to have all of these traits? Or, must one sacrifice them to be one of the gang? Depends on how much power one wants, I presume. One doesn't acquire power by being a "nice guy" in most cases.
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Psychopathy vs. sociopathy
Hare writes that the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy may "reflect the user's views on the origins and determinates of the disorder."
David T. Lykken proposes psychopathy and sociopathy are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality disorder. He believes psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, he claims sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. Both personality disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.
Psychopaths may be distinguished from sociopaths in one fundamental respect. Whereas sociopaths have no allegiance to, and even contempt for, any values or rules or laws of a wider society beyond their own small sub-group, such as a gang or cult, psychopaths have no allegiance to anything transcendent beyond themselves. Within gangs and cults, at war with society, there are certain codes and sociopaths are capable of holding to forms of allegiance and adherence to transcendent—beyond the individual--values and rules at least of the sub-group. Psychopaths, are total and ultra-individualists and narcissists, and have no allegiances beyond themselves and their own notions of their own narrow and selfish interests. Both psychopaths and sociopaths may not only find the business world a “target-rich” environment, they also can find religious, non-profit, educational, legal, military and political organizations attractive as well.
For those of you who are seeking understanding of psychopathy, Hervey Cleckley's book The Mask of Sanity, the absolutely essential study of the psychopath who is not necessarily of the criminal type.
Originally posted by antonia
Psychopaths do not generally think they are "evil" people. They lack a developed since of right and wrong. I think many of them simply cannot distinguish between what is and is not an appropriate action.
Originally posted by antonia
i think it would useless to walk up to one of these people and tell them what they are doing is "evil". they simply cannot understand that concept.
Originally posted by AccessDenied
This totally explains a few happenings in my life and at the time I never put two and two together. I never really thought of psychopaths as able to really excel in the community, or beyond.
My stereotype of them blinded me. You just showed me the bigger picture.
Babiak and Hare warn: "Psychopaths are skilled at social manipulation, and the job interview is a perfect place to apply their talents." Often they are able to provide a well-rounded resume displaying the traits of the perfect job candidate, able to charm even the most seasoned of interviewers in HR.
Once entering the job, they quickly blend into the corporate environment, becoming "social chameleons" as they figure out all the angles and quickly begin their manipulation to the top. Known for their self-centeredness, once comfortably employed, psychopaths move into a three-stage behavior pattern of assessment, manipulation and abandonment.
Unfortunately, many do not see this pattern for what it is and mistake some of the traits as the individual's attempt to become an ideal employee and leader. (1)