I don't enjoy this

Why can't they invest into something more important...

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
It's the TR-3B jr people. That's to me. . I'm sure a lot of other expert members know what this is.

The legend of the TR-3 is a derivative of misunderstood verbal conversations regarding the Darkstar "Tier-3" program. The mistake was easy to make, but the conspiracy theories as always are not easy to quell.

While there are no doubt legitimate reports of triangular craft defying the laws of physics, the TR-3 in my opinion was a misunderstanding capitalized on by conspiracy theorists who felt they could profit by blowing it out of proportion. (Ed Fouche & Jeff Rense I'm talking to you).

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
What I'm interested in is the transfer of some of the technology being used to public domain and its application for the space industry. The faster the better. Seriously DARPA is being slow at these times, need to pick up the pace.

The technology involved in the craft this thread is about is scramjet technology, not really new technology but still in it's infancy as far as large scale applications go.
Additionally the heat shielding developments will probably reach the public sector rather quickly to help bring costs down.

Originally posted by intelgurl
The legend of the TR-3 is a derivative of misunderstood verbal conversations regarding the Darkstar "Tier-3" program. The mistake was easy to make, but the conspiracy theories as always are not easy to quell.

Are you sure it was just a fluke, intelgurl? Are you sure it doesn't really stand for Tactical Recon third generation?

The technology involved in the craft this thread is about is scramjet technology, not really new technology but still in it's infancy as far as large scale applications go.
Additionally the heat shielding developments will probably reach the public sector rather quickly to help bring costs down.

Shielding would be good, and something else I expect, it's DARPA after all.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy

Are you sure it was just a fluke, intelgurl? Are you sure it doesn't really stand for Tactical Recon third generation?

Ok, perhaps I was too dogmatic in my response, how's that? Perhaps I should have tempered it with, "In my opinion the TR-3B is a bunch of crap..." ;-)

But I'll break it down without going into a dissertation...

The Need:
There is no need nor has there been any need for a gravity manipulating reconnaissance vehicle from 1994 to present. (most info on the TR-3B says it was flying by 1994) Any recon work from post Gulf War 1 to present could be done with space based strategic reconnaissance, aircraft such as the SR-71, U-2, AWACS, Compass Call/Rivet Fire, RC-135 Rivet Joint, Global Hawk and others as well as well ground based human intel.

Information Leaks:
It isn't the unlikliness of the technology I have an issue with. I simply find it highly dubious that such technology could remain so secret for over 15 years, there would almost certainly be leaks of info if this thing were operational - but instead all you ever hear regarding it are legends propagated by profiteers such as Rense & Fouche, regurgitated on sites such as this and shows such as "Coast to Coast".

Reality & Common Sense:
a.) why would it be flying over friendly skies? There's no intel to be gleaned there that cant be acquired through wire taps, laser audio sensing, other electronic surveillance means or plain old bribery.

b.) Would any thinking individual risk flying a priority national asset such as a gravity manipulating craft over enemy territory? Even if it could bend light and microwaves around it to render it invisible, such a technology could not have a world wide support base or there would be more people who would know about it on a first hand basis.

It just simply does not make any sense to me.

Originally posted by intelgurl
The Need:
There is no need nor has there been any need for a gravity manipulating reconnaissance vehicle from 1994 to present. (most info on the TR-3B says it was flying by 1994) Any recon work from post Gulf War 1 to present could be done with space based strategic reconnaissance, aircraft such as the SR-71, U-2, AWACS, Compass Call/Rivet Fire, RC-135 Rivet Joint, Global Hawk and others as well as well ground based human intel.

My theory, it starts as a recon ship for experimental and testing purposes, but it's no longer the case at the present time.

Information Leaks:
It isn't the unlikliness of the technology I have an issue with. I simply find it highly dubious that such technology could remain so secret for over 15 years, there would almost certainly be leaks of info if this thing were operational

This, I disagree.

- but instead all you ever hear regarding it are legends propagated by profiteers such as Rense & Fouche, regurgitated on sites such as this and shows such as "Coast to Coast".

This, I agree.

Reality & Common Sense:
a.) why would it be flying over friendly skies? There's no intel to be gleaned there that cant be acquired through wire taps, laser audio sensing, other electronic surveillance means or plain old bribery.

Simple, for testing purposes. The recon thing is just a starting point, it doesn't have to actually about that.

b.) Would any thinking individual risk flying a priority national asset such as a gravity manipulating craft over enemy territory? Even if it could bend light and microwaves around it to render it invisible, such a technology could not have a world wide support base or there would be more people who would know about it on a first hand basis.

Regarding whether they test it over enemy territory or not that I have no idea. It depends on who's the actual overseer of the program I guess.

I just don't see why DARPA should have any business testing this particular 'FALCON' directly. It's about something else, something strategic, not just militarily strategic. But perhaps I'm just reading too much regarding DARPA involvement in testing this. My personal take that its real purpose is for the commercial expansion of space.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
I just don't see why DARPA should have any business testing this particular 'FALCON' directly. It's about something else, something strategic, not just militarily strategic. But perhaps I'm just reading too much regarding DARPA involvement in testing this. My personal take that its real purpose is for the commercial expansion of space.

Darpa is involved because the military is still trying to deliver an airframe or weapon anywhere in the world in 2 hours or less without the telltale signature a missile (ICBM) would put on our potential enemies global sensor systems.
That means airbreathing engines on a reusable airframe.
Darpa has nothing to do with the commercialization of space access... they are all about, 100% military applications.