Ya, we need that money to make bombs and jets to carry said bombs, not help out people.

Quick, call your senator...we only want socialised mass murder, not social healthy people...what the hell are the dems doing trying to make the world a slightly better place.

weak.

Um . . . not to dispute Mr. Obama's intentions here and as a Canadian, I am familiar with health care plans, but . . . . .

WHERE THE HELL IS THE US GOING TO GET THE MONEY FOR THIS GEM?????

just wondering.

...a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

I stopped reading right there. Aside from the fact that I don't believe their cost estimates, the second half of that is equivalent to implementing price controls. Those worked so well on gasoline in the 70s that I guess Obama thinks we should try it with healthcare. The rest of it sounds a lot like a rehash of their previous attempt during the fall. The GOP is right, this is the prelude to a slow, creeping government takeover of healthcare in subsequent years.

This administration is clueless.

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Originally posted by vor78

...a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

This administration is clueless.

Quoted for truth. As an aside, is one still considered a "consumer" under the capitalist system when one is under a legal mandate requiring them to consume? I guess static egregious government taxes and regulations requiring you to carry insurance will be far less "infuriating?"

Excuse me, please stop the train... I wish to get off now.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I guess static egregious government taxes and regulations requiring you to carry insurance will be far less "infuriating?"

Of course. Its for your own good. The government has your best interests in mind. They certainly know more about what's good for you than you do.

BTW, would people be 'infuriated' if they realized that under these proposals, their children would essentially be indebted to the insurance industry from the moment they're born until the day they die? Would they be 'infuriated' if they understood that the purchase of a health insurance plan will now more or less be a condition of citizenship?

I don't know about you, but I certainly am.



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What a joke this plan is! It's about more control of your daily lives for the government and TPTB! They cannot run anyhting they already are responsible for well why would any American trust the gov with their health care!? After all if it wasn't for bought politicians to begin with the health care system wouldn't be the mess it is! They are the lap dogs of their corporate masters already and this includes the big insurance companies and drug companies too! That's why when it looked like this plan that's supposed to be good for the citizens looked like it was gonna pass before, stocks in all the major health insurance companies went up! Yeah it's good for citizens, ha! Again it's about control, it's about access to your records both medical and financial, it still puts beaurucrats in charge of your coverage and forces you to buy coverage. This is bad for America! Reform is needed in health care for sure but you gotta reform the criminals at the top first or you'll keep getting ripped off and enslaved!

As a career health insurance broker and advisor, I can say for certain that
health insurance reform is needed. As of 2009, seven out of every ten
people who applied for health insurance were either turned down, or had
a part of their body (or mind) excluded from coverage on the policy.

The big problem though is how to cover every human being from head
to toe without a drastic increase in premiums that would make the
38% WellPoint price hike look tame by comparison. Internal memos from
actuaries tell us that a 150% across the board premium increase will
be needed to adhere to the new guidelines, should they become law.

The average health insurance company pays out 87 cents of every dollar
taken in to doctors, hospitals, equipment manufacturers and pharmaceutical
companies.

For instance, a CAT scan at one of our local hospitals costs $7,200. The
specialist physician who interprets the results gets $475. It takes less
than 15 minutes for him/her to write it up. This is just one example of
how utterly expensive medical "care" is.

Most people in the country (approx. 85%) are covered by a group health
insurance plan through their job and have a relatively low deductible to
pay each year out their own pocket. They have no idea that their minor
kidney stone episode cost the insurance company $8,000 or/and that their
employer is paying $1,400 a month for their family's health plan.

President Obama means well, but he's not going to the fundamental roots
of the problem. His method for getting everyone health insurance
coverage will ultimately lead to every American being on Medicare, which
is what he wants anyway, if his mindset is still the same as it was during
a speech he made in 2002.
-cwm

Well, Obama is bringing troops in Iraq home soon...
GOOD!!

Now you folks can get your gov't to spend money on, what I think, is an AMERICAN RIGHT!!

Good luck, U.S!!!

Originally posted by David9176


But nah...it's ok if business kills babies but the government can't.

Hypocrite.

Bullcrap! Those businesses aren't (or at least shouldn't be...God bless us things were sure easier to take a pointed stance on before all this bailout horsecrap started) using my tax dollars to fund themselves. I am 100% opposed to abortion. That money which is stolen from every paycheck I earn is still mine dammit. I have every right to protest it funding what I consider to be a form of infanticide.

Insurance companies... little bit different there, my friend. I actually get back out of the insurance company about what I put into them (probabaly more). My wife and I have had 2 kids, that alone was a good $30-$40 K the insurance company paid out to the hospitals. I have yet to see any personal return on my tax dollars, however. I'm not on the government dole.

The tax payer should have a say in how their money is used. Otherwise, it is theft, pure and simple. Not hypocritical, probabaly extremist fanatical (according to our lovely government), and certainly pipe dreaming on my part that the day will ever get here when the imbeciles running this nation actually hold any level of accountabillity towards the tax payers.