Eating Alices Cookie didnt take me to Wonderland. Stop telling people to avoid medication!!!, page 4

reply to post by LightWonder

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That sounds like you were just a bit depressed as everyone gets from time to time.

But for people who are clinically depressed or suffer actual mental disorders, altering their perspectives isn't as easy as it was for you. The reason they often can't is because of their mental illness.

I don't see how being happy will change a manic depressive or someone suffering from schizophrenia - mainly because due to their illness, they don't know how to be happy. So they need help. And in many of these cases, certain drugs alter the current drug chemistry in the brain, either increasing/decreasing a particular hormone or neurotransmitter that then *allows* their brain to 'see' a new perspective.

ps, I'm not a doctor. But i do suffer from severe depression which at times, only drugs have been able to get me out of the spiral.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by (C2C)
reply to post by SaturnFX

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Yeah maybe we should let the medication destory and dumb down the entire population, that way the ones who stay away from medication can inherit the earth as the darwinian approach would suggest.

Nah, im all about helping people. Who do you think educates the doctors!? People think that doctors are so smart just because they have a degree. Just because you have a degree does not mean you are smart because the people who taught you could have givin you all the wrong information thereby making your degree worthless and you not very smart.

Edit for spelling

[edit on 21-2-2010 by (C2C)]

Heres the deal...my mother has to take about 20 pills a day due to a bunch of issues.
She once got tired of taking all these pills daily and stopped..seems she talked to some herbalist conspiracy nut that said the meds were making her unhealthy and was all crap...to drop them all and use the right diet of natural products

a month later she suffered a heart attack...she lived, barely. Seems the lack of meds caused all sorts of issues with her that took her over a year to recover.
She now takes her meds and although suffers fatigue from the mix, she is alive and sharp. 6 years later from the attack and still kicking...luckily that loon didnt kill her else there would potentially be two deaths.

So, I say once again...take the meds if you want...or dont, but know the consequences. You can simply trust the docs (and if they knowingly screw you up, you make millions through malpractice suits), or trust some crackpots saying smart people arent smart because you dont believe meds help. Make sure to get all your arrangements for your funeral and such beforehand.

Question. Did she abruptly stop taking her meds, or did she ease off of them over weeks?

If it was more sudden than subtle, then that's your answer. If she did take it easy over several weeks to quit the meds, then you win and you can blame her supplements.

reply to post by noonebutme

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you're trying to compare organ transplants, to mental illness. they just arent in the same category. i was in group therapy for over a year. i saw several people that were able to make WAY better progress with their recovery using therapy than the medications.

reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

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There can be a fine line though with some of these mental illnesses. A serious chemical imbalance can not be cured with therapy alone.

Originally posted by amazing
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

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There can be a fine line though with some of these mental illnesses. A serious chemical imbalance can not be cured with therapy alone.

On a similar note, depression that isn't a bi-product of a serious chemical imbalance probably doesn't need to be treated with chemicals, yet doctors are pretty quick to prescribe them.

Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23
reply to post by noonebutme

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you're trying to compare organ transplants, to mental illness. they just arent in the same category. i was in group therapy for over a year. i saw several people that were able to make WAY better progress with their recovery using therapy than the medications.

Ok, and that's fantastic. But what of the people other people who did not make better progress? Did the meds help them?

I wasn't trying to compare transplants to mental illness - I'm leading on from the counter arguments to the OP; that not all drugs are bad and in some case, are required - like in an organ transplant situation.

Eating Alices Cookie didnt take me to Wanderland. Stop telling people to avoid medication!!!

This first part is an open statement to those people that are telling other members to not take their medication or who are recommending that other members do not trust their doctor or mental health care proffesionals:

STOP IT!!! IT IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE TO DO THIS. YOU ARE NOT PROFFESIONALS IN THIS AREA, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE TAKING AND YOU MAY BE CAUSING OTHERS HARM AND IN SOME CASES, THEIR SUICIDES....SO STOP IT PLEASE

I take the medications my doctors prescribe me.

But if these idiots don't want to take theres great but they should not be able to get taxpayer supported disablity or medicare.
That is just like paying drug users welfare or food stamps.

Why should we pay for them not being able to work because they don't take there meds.
Why should we pay for there hospital care when they don't try to get better.

why should we pay for there children's health care when the refuse to get them immunized.

Let them alldie and save the taxpayera alot of money




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reply to post by noonebutme

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I would use concentrated thought and intent first to basically repogram myself back to perfect health. (no i'm not crazy, sigh...) If this did not work for some reason I would most definately use one of Bob Beck's microcurrent machines to purify my blood and therefore my body and be done with the whole ordeal!
(not medical advice, but here is a pretty cool video about it if you would like to research it some more)
www.aeonia.com...
I forgot to mention that i would immediately switch over to a raw food diet, as referenced in Real N Raw (movie)

Edit: forgot to mention

[edit on 22-2-2010 by (C2C)]

reply to post by amazing

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yes, i definitely agree with that. but medication alone cant fix it either. my mother has chemical imbalances and hormone issues. shes on medication and has been for a long long time. she's still not better, not by a long shot. the pills do help her somewhat, but she would be so much better off if she used her medication in combination with therapy. she refuses to go to therapy because of the way society perceives it, so she's still suffering. and after being in therapy for over a year, i know exactly what things therapy helps with and which things it doesnt help with. and the issues shes still dealing with would be completely treatable with a therapy program.

now i think i should also mention that therapy in place of meds is probably only a viable option for people who do not deal with psychosis. i absolutely think that people with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, schizotypal, etc need medication.

but people who are not psychotic and dealing with either personality disorders or clinical depression, clinical anxiety etc would benefit greatly from incorporating therapy into their treatment.

reply to post by broli

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You can remain ignorant to the fact that without modern medication life expectancy would be much less and most people you know would already be dead. Yes these are companies that rip people off and dont care about their well being but that does not mean all their products don't work. Just like when you fill up on gas at a servo the gas companies dont care about you either but it doesnt mean all their products are useless!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by noonebutme

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i did not meet one single person that was not helped by therapy. not one. every single person (that i met) who did the therapy benefited from it and made progress. now obviously i havent met everyone in therapy, but from the people i did speak to and the discussions i had with doctors, it was clear to me that everyone who went to therapy and actually did the things that therapy taught them, improved significantly. especially the program i was in, DBT has a fairly high success rate.

i was just mentioning that organ transplants arent particularly relevant because i think that this discussion is pertaining to mental health treatments. i dont think its about all medications. obviously not ALL medications are bad. but psychotropic medications can have some very very negative side effects.

Originally posted by byteshertz
reply to post by broli

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You can remain ignorant to the fact that without modern medication life expectancy would be much less and most people you know would already be dead. Yes these are companies that rip people off and dont care about their well being but that does not mean all their products don't work. Just like when you fill up on gas at a servo the gas companies dont care about you either but it doesnt mean all their products are useless!!!!!!!!!!

Or we could replace modern medication with proper education on the matters so doctors wouldn't have to hand out placebo medications and nutjobs like me wouldn't be opening our mouths.

reply to post by LostNemesis

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I've tried Kratom a few times. I've experienced more energy from small amounts and drowsiness from large doses. Interesting stuff.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by (C2C)

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This is the exact kind of thing Im talking about. Someone that is ignorant to the fact of the capabilities of medication, simply because you are self absorbed in some kind of conspiracy theory behind the pharmaceutical companies.

I did not cure myself through thoughts and mind, I battled through 5 years of it before I got proper help, thoughts didnt help me there at all, and it wasnt until I started taking medication and started seeing a psychiatrist, that I got better.

LoL...are you for real? Are you really serious? There is no theory. It's a fact that 99.9 percent of medication is a BUSINESS for profits profits and more profits. The only ones that make sense are the odd antibiotic and Tylenol for those nasty headaches. Holy Mother of God, do you really think Big Pharma cares about your health? They hooked you line and sinker on their drugs for 5 years. That's their goal, to hook people on a daily basis.

They don't want you to get better. They want you to manage your "illness" and stay on their product indefinitely. Do you think the day you stopped taking their poison they were jumping for joy? No they were pissed that you got better because that meant they were down one customer.

You got better because you got professional help and eliminated the factors in your life that made you depressed in the first place, and not because you took some pill.

Here, listen to this doctor about this:

reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

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Ahh, thought it was *all* meds in all areas was what people were focusing on. Sorry - my mistake.

But in the situation you mention, I agree - if meds can be avoided, I'd always go with a natural option.

reply to post by (C2C)

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Well, as I don't fully understand how that works, I won't knock it - and I do fully believe we (humans) can heal ourselves, by ourselves through such methods/abilities as you suggest. Sadly though, I'm not one of them.

Interesting vid tho.

reply to post by Roid_Rage27

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Bout time the backup arrived!! Yup I'm totally with you there, all they want is to make as much money off of you as possible. If the establishment really cared about your health you would not be a tradeable commodity for one.

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