Government employees are not innocent...

reply to post by mnemeth1

Laws that punish people who have harmed no one are morally and constitutionally wrong.

Okay - then if you ever find your home stripped of its possessions - don't call the police.

If you see a dark hooded figure peaking in your window
Don't call the police

If someone starts calling you with the voice from SCREAM
DONT CALL THE POLICE

only until there is a knife in your back and hole in your forehead should you call the police. Because only then, by your own standards, has a crime been committed.

I am in total agreement with you Master Jedi....ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law and justice, just ask a cop, or a judge, or any of those government employees. They get what they deserve.

reply to post by Snarf


More advocating violence, more strawmen, more wild comparisons.

Not enough spankings, government = democrats, democrats should die.

I think you need to calm down and take a deep look at what you are saying.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Snarf

 

More advocating violence, more strawmen, more wild comparisons.

Not enough spankings, government = democrats, democrats should die.

I think you need to calm down and take a deep look at what you are saying.

Then you should go back and re-read the OPs statements, and your own.

You advocate violence against innocent people. This makes YOU guilty. Thus, i advocate action against you for being guilty.

Its just like the "terrorists" plotting 9/11

You are no different, and i hope you both share the same fate as them.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Snarf]

reply to post by Snarf


Once again... I never condoned his actions... Stop saying I did!

Secondly, I'm not against Democrats... I'm against my county being turned into a Socialist state.

Thirdly, if we can't vote in people who truly believe in smaller government and less intervention, then what is the point? It then becomes all our duty to take it back.

You bash me and wish me harm for not thinking those people in government buildings as innocents? Wow, your compassion is boundless compared to mine huh?

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Laws that punish people who have harmed no one are morally and constitutionally wrong.

Okay - then if you ever find your home stripped of its possessions - don't call the police.

If you see a dark hooded figure peaking in your window
Don't call the police

If someone starts calling you with the voice from SCREAM
DONT CALL THE POLICE

only until there is a knife in your back and hole in your forehead should you call the police. Because only then, by your own standards, has a crime been committed.

Well, I have a gun, therefore I could protect myself.

Also, why should the police have more rights than myself? Why should I not be able to apprehend and arrest the individual attempting to rob me?

Why should I depend upon the police for protection, when all they can do is attempt to catch and punish the person AFTER the fact?

Why shouldn't citizens be able to defend themselves or purchase protection from other citizens against those who would do violence?

Why should police have a monopoly on defensive force?

reply to post by MasterJedi

Once again... I never condoned his actions... Stop saying I did!

But you did. You said those people were guilty and deserve what they get for working for the government.

You said it, you just are not ready to deal with the consequences of saying it.

Either his actions are noble because those people are bad

Or his action are despicable because those people are innocent.


its an "either or" choice. One you made when you posted the filth in your original post.



Mnemeth01 said

Well, I have a gun, therefore I could protect myself.

Ahhh - but if i never harm you, then i never committed a crime, and shooting me would be a crime, since i would have been harmed, and you'd have to go to prison and make acquaintances with a lot of guys much larger than yourself.

You haven't given much thought to your arguments, have you?

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Snarf]

Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Snarf

 

More advocating violence, more strawmen, more wild comparisons.

Not enough spankings, government = democrats, democrats should die.

I think you need to calm down and take a deep look at what you are saying.

Then you should go back and re-read the OPs statements, and your own.

You advocate violence against innocent people. This makes YOU guilty. Thus, i advocate action against you for being guilty.

Its just like the "terrorists" plotting 9/11

You are no different, and i hope you both share the same fate as them.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Snarf]

The only person in here advocating violence is you.

I will say that there are some jobs in certain fields that are largely federal government and very few private. I myself would much rather be working for a private company in my line of work, but A: even before all this happened, the private work force was tiny and B: I really didn't want to work in Afghanistan/Iraq or Gulf Coast to obtain that job.

To levy a claim as you have you just cast the broadest net you possibly could without regards to who it falls upon.

I work hard day in and day out to rout out corruption, wasteful spending, laziness, complacency and the biggest one, failure to follow the oath that we all took to become agents of the United States Government.

Working for the Government is not a bad thing. The bad thing is when that government wishes to spread its tentacles into areas where the Private Sector has a greater impact.

reply to post by Snarf


LOL only the Sith deal in absolutes...

You are deluded. Where did I say he was noble?

Originally posted by MasterJedi
reply to post by Snarf

 

Where did I say he was noble?

When you praised his actions for killing innocent people.

reply to post by Snarf


Quote it...

Or go away

Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by MasterJedi
reply to post by Snarf

 

Where did I say he was noble?

When you praised his actions for killing innocent people.

Oh come on. He did nothing of the sort.

Go ahead and quote him.

Lets see this "praised his actions".

Originally posted by MasterJedi
reply to post by Snarf

 

Quote it...

Or go away

But if you still work for an agency of the government, then you are accepting the credo of your employer, and can claim no innocence when the time for talk has ended

Your words:

If you work for a bad employer, you deserve to die. You BELIEVE these people DESERVE to die.

Therefore, when someone kills one of these "bad people", and you say "HOORAY"
you ARE praising that persons actions, even if you dont come forth and say " I think he's a hero"

If i have read YOUR OWN WORDS incorrectly, then i can only say you need to learn how to put your thoughts into words. Because what you have written, is advocating violence against innocent people.

And praising anyone who commits that violence.

reply to post by mnemeth1


LOL. Going all "my team" on me, are we? Keep on avoiding the truth, young padawan. You'll grow up and see it one day.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Snarf]

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Snarf]

reply to post by Snarf


Yeah, that's really praising Stack's actions there.

reply to post by Snarf


Nice... So you paraphrase with your limited understanding what I said and that means I think that everyone who works for the government should die... You are amazing...

I said that you can't claim innocence... not that anyone should die... Boy, you sure are astute... But thats ok, cause according to you, so far I should be eliminated either by arrest, death, or any means necessary, you don't care how... And I can quote you...

Oh and to your point, I truly am innocent of any charge... Except thinking differently than you

[edit on 21-2-2010 by MasterJedi]

Originally posted by Snarf
Ahhh - but if i never harm you, then i never committed a crime, and shooting me would be a crime, since i would have been harmed, and you'd have to go to prison and make acquaintances with a lot of guys much larger than yourself.

You haven't given much thought to your arguments, have you?

Actually it was you that didn't think that one through. You assume a lot and justify that assumption because you can only think of that assumption and not other possibilities.

Since those assumptions fit your logic to the extent in which you have developed, you fully reject anything that falls outside of those assumptions.

Even if you cause no harm to that individual that owns a gun, if you are A: Trying to take their car B: Broke into their home -or- C: In a court of law, the citizen with the firearm successfully shows a juror of their peers that their life was in imminent danger, they reacted with force that they felt would protect their life.

So, no you didn't harm that person directly, but depending upon the situation, that ham can be implied and the person with a gun, knife or baseball bat has every right to protect themselves and their rights without being dependent upon your glorious police (who are reactionary and are not crime predictors)

reply to post by MasterJedi

so far I should be eliminated either by arrest, death, or any means necessary, you don't care how... And I can quote you...

Agreed. And, unlike you, i won't try to recant. I don't think you should die, or being physically beaten...but anything outside that realm is fine with me.

You are saying terrorists plots against innocent people are okay. I don't think that being an American Citizen should relieve you of being punished for it. We started an 8 year long war over the very same thing. What makes you so special?

reply to post by ownbestenemy

Even if you cause no harm to that individual that owns a gun, if you are A: Trying to take their car B: Broke into their home -or- C: In a court of law, the citizen with the firearm successfully shows a juror of their peers that their life was in imminent danger, they reacted with force that they felt would protect their life.

Ahhh - but that is in TODAYS world.

In *HIS* world - with the rules that HE set forth - i have not committed a crime. And if i don't commit a crime, and he shoots me anyways, then he just shot - and harmed - an innocent person.

Sorry to destroy your little pedestal there, but you really should read first, then reply.

reply to post by Snarf

I'm sorry, but I see no point in wasting any more time on replying to you, you have every right to your opinion as I do mine... I'm just glad to be an American, where your drivel has just as much a right to be expressed as mine... for now.

As for anyone else, I'll be glad to continue discussing, and I apologize for the inane inferences and ridiculous claims of the few.