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reply posted on 21-2-2010 @ 03:26 AM by timewalker
President Bush: I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!

Rescue Workers: [Chanting] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

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At that point of time I think we all would have condoned bamboo shanks under the finger nails of the murderers.

What should we do? Put them up in some prison in Illinois, give them hot tea and say please tell us everything you know when ever you feel comfortable about it.


reply posted on 21-2-2010 @ 07:57 AM by NorEaster
You people will always win from now on, and this is why (hit the link below). The world is a much darker place than most people will ever suspect.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The only real chance this nation has is to take out the next generation of "leaders" while they're still in prep schools. Then, let the American Aristocracy die off through old age. Other than that, the game is over.



reply posted on 22-2-2010 @ 05:35 AM by xpert11
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Obama is playing the typical game that is played by politicians everywhere he is smoothing over public opinion without any change in policy . You don't have to be a genius to work that because no one is to be punished for what has happened that it can well happen in the future with unofficial sanction . While I am not defending the decision not to prosecute it really must be said that to many fingers were or are in the pie for this to happen . Political witch hunts and or making scarp(SP?) goats is far worse then simply not laying criminal chargers . Oh and this more proof that Obama mantra of change that is was elected on is fraudulent or a hoax take your pick .


reply posted on 22-2-2010 @ 12:10 PM by converge
No amount of rationalization and excuses will change the fact that waterboarding is torture. It's a crime under US and international law. The Bush administration and their cheerleaders can call it whatever they want, come up with euphemisms for it, but waterboarding is torture and torture is a crime.

You claim that “those decisions saved lives,” a claim that, quite frankly, is still up for debate, but even if it did, doesn't change the fact that it is a crime. Convenience is not a compelling legal argument.

If the Bush administration thought waterboarding was something they had to do, then they should have repealed all the federal laws and opted out of all the international treaties that ban torture, like the Geneva Conventions, or the UN Convention Against Torture signed by Pres. Reagan in 1988.

But they didn't, instead they tried to work their way around the law, knowing the implications of their actions—in a
January 25 2002 memo to the President, White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales argues that opting out of the Geneva Convention “substantially reduces the likelihood of prosecution under the War Crimes Act” (p. 2); Attorney General Ashcroft inquired John Yoo on the feasibility of “advanced pardons” at the request of the CIA as reported in the OPR report (p. 55).

You say that it is “easy to sit on the sidelines and make determinations.” Yes, indeed it is. But I didn't make the oath to “preserve, protect and defend” the Constitution. Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Ashcroft and others, on the other hand, did.

Isn't it easier to make the difficult decisions when you don't care about the Constitution and the law? Being on the sidelines and making determinations is not a crime. Violating the Constitution is.
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