9/11 was one of the worst attacks on this nations soil and it left a bitter taste on every americans tongue that day. I could not go on with work that day without hearing the anger towards the men who pulled off these attacks. Among the most vocal were those conservatives to the far right who lead forward the support for the Afghanistan war and following that the Iraq war. Whether you were a believer of the 9/11 terrorist story, or a believer that it was an inside job, nobody could deny their utter disgust at the attacks and the amount of people that died that day. It did not matter for what political motives it was, those attacks were beyond inhuman and everybody had their own display of disgust to throw around.

Roll forward the clock to nearly 9 years later and one disgruntled citizen crashes his plane into an office building containing nearly 200 workers. The reply, that the same people who would have us never forget 9/11 are now celebrating what this man did. The individuals posting smears against the islamic extremists are the ones celebrating what this man did. The same zionists supporting America's arming of Israel to protect it from the barbaric suicide bombers and arab terrorists are now going behind this guy. Ofcourse many of them will make the little claim "i dont condone violence.... but..", but " that doesnt stop them from making every effort to justify the actions of this man in one way or another.

I read Joe's manifesto and I found to be rather similar to me. From what i understand he was not an extreme partisan given his outrage towards both the "capitalist creed" and the "communist creed". He even made space for good ol' Bush to be added in his manifesto of anger. Despite me relating to his struggles, my disgust towards his actions are no different to those of 9/11. The reasons made for the man and his attacks on the IRS building are no different from the reasonings of the islamic extremists and their attacks on America in 9/11. The attacks on a nation they saw as oppressive and threatening to their way of life, as the same for joe and his supporters, and the attacks on the IRS building. This disregard for the lives of the individuals in there, both workers and non-workers alike, are the same as the disregard for those innocent american citizens on 9/11 and the disregard from those extremists islamic terrorists.

The use of violence to make a political point can never be excused, regardless of what the people behind it strive to defend. It is no different from the government using its own force to enforce their political will on the people that resist. It is no different from the suicide bombers blowing themselves up to kill the Jews to make a political statement. It is no different from the Jews killing and removing the arabs to further their religious and political motives. All the same, all from the same yolk. All disregard reason, all disregard the opportunity to higher themselves beyond that of what is uncivilized, of what is not what freedom and democracy is to stand for. All I see are a bunch of hypocrites with different faces.... and you all disgust me in the same way.

Godbless america. For there are people that will kill to enforce their own view of freedom.

I get your point but you seem to be generalizing.

I read most of the `manifesto' and support what I read.
I do not support flying a plane into a building.


And Faux News is already demonizing his writings.
If they could read, they'd be dangerous.

Blah Blah Blah! When you lose your house and your job due to over taxing and our swift economic recovery don't cry about it here.

Good job SG Star and Flag.

This guy was exactly like a Jihadist. And it saddens me to see posters on here lauding this idiot as a hero.

He tried to kill a lot of innocent people, just because the IRS taxes you doesn't give you the right to fly a plane into a building in the attempt to kill people.

Once a person turns from argument to violence they have lost.

Most forums, including this one (I'm pretty sure) have denounced the Joe Stack event as a false flag, based at least on the fact that emergency services were in close proximity before the plane (allegedly) struck the building

And further evidence exists in the form of photos of a plane which struck a building a few years ago, flown by a teenage boy. In that instance, the damage was (in comparison) minimal

But if we assume for a moment that the Joe Stack event was genuine and compare his alleged actions --- as you've said -- with Jihadists, then let's take a look at what the alleged Jihadists achieved (putting aside for a moment the belief of millions that 9/11 was also a false-flag)


On account of Jihadits, the US has retreated domestically into seige mentality. Or at least the US administrations have for nine years now imposed seige mentality on Americans and upon all who attempt to enter and depart the US

In addition, the US has imposed the same situation on virtually all Westernised nations

So we have the 'naked body-scanners'. We have idiotic 'security measures' occurring, similar to the recent case where a young American boy was instructed to remove the calipers from his legs as a 'security precaution' before he could get on a plane

We see the US's tourist derived revenue decreasing

US police are being featured increasingly often in abuses of power, such power having been granted them as consequence of false flag, 9/11 and the pursuant hysteria launched by the US (sorry, Israeli) administration which appears determined to limit Americans (and others) freedoms

A raft of sinister laws re: 'search and enter' have been passed by the US administration since 9/11 and equivalent false flag attacks in the UK

And now we're being told that Joe Stack flew his plane into a building, despite that emergency services' presence alerts us to the fact this highly publicised event was foreseen by the authorities ---- just as US troops were being prepared for Haiti, days before the alleged 'quake struck

If people are supporting Joe Stack, it's not so much for what he supposedly did or did not do with a plane (because it's seeming more and more that the entire thing was yet another lie perpetrated by the US administration in order to impose tighter restrictions upon owners of private planes).

Those who're supporting Joe Stack are supporting an ideal. They're supporting an uprising, a rebellion, a fight-back at what they consider to be a hopelessly compromised (by Israel) and corrupt US administration which people consider is not FIT to be in power

Then again, when we consider the mainstream media and numerous influential people in the US have been advocating rebellion --- it persuades that the Joe Stack event was planned and executed by the US adminstration ---- to get a rebellion up and rolling

The US has planned (and hopes for) an opportunity to conduct 'pre-emptive strikes' against its own population ? It wouldn't surprise me if this were true

Originally posted by whatukno

Once a person turns from argument to violence they have lost.

They didn't lose, diplomacy lost. When a person reaches that point, they have nothing left to lose. It's not a game where there are winners, and losers, it's serious, referring to it as if it's a game where there are winners and losers just trivializes the whole incident. When everything is on the line, it's survival. His survival came to an end before he got into the airplane. He was dead before he hit the starter switch. It really doesn't change a thing if someone thinks he's a martyr, asshole, lunatic, selfish, etc... Not. One. Thing. All that's happening now is arguments over semantics in crude attempts to make sense of it all.

For those that are slow, here's the rundown.

The IRS wants to take as much money from the guy as possible.
The guy wants to keep as much money as possible.
The IRS uses a set of codes that is labyrinthine, burdensome, and impossible to completely know.
The guy fails against the IRS, and crumbles under it's codes.
In the mean time he's lost everything else he's worked for in his life.
Guy with nothing left to lose torches his house, and flies an airplane into an IRS office.

That's it.

I'm sure some will see that as oversimplified, but I'm not going to comb over his so-called 'manifesto' looking for secret messages since I, evidently, do not have the proper decoder ring.

Further, re: the 'Crotch Bomber' and the 'naked body scanners'

it was revealed shortly after this murky affair, that the US administration had placed orders for the 'naked body scanners' six months prior to the convenient 'crotch bomber' affair

Same with the 'Pigs-might-fly' vaccine. This was hyped by the whore media in a transparent attempt to terrify the public

The US basically forced other nations to purchase multi-millions of doses of the allged 'vaccine' for their respective populations. For example, Kevin Rudd purchased 21 million doses -- using tax payers' money which was paid straight to the producers of the vaccine

The UK purchased close to 100 million does of the vaccine and is now dumping them

France purchased sufficient doses to 'vaccinate' every member of its population

Ukraine was hit by something to reignite the whore-media driven fear and hysteria

and through it all, the wildly inappropriately named World Health Organisation was there, alongside the whore media, ramping up the fear and hysteria

People died and were permanently sickened, blinded, etc. by the 'life-saving vaccine'

Large pharmaceutical companies were exposed as having contaminated supposedly 'life saving' vaccines and treatments

Global warming is another money-making opportunity for so-called 'world leaders' and their buddies

And gee, didn't certain people get rich from the much-hyped 'Global financial collapse' ?


So what we see is a mafia-type gang, holding the reins of power across the globe and abusing that power by staging various attacks on the credulity of the world's population ---- for profit and in order to grasp increased power and control

These attacks on the sensibilities of the masses are being clustered and rushed through, in order to impede digestion of them by the masses

The mafiosa running the world are operating like a team of fair-ground boxers. They're hitting the masses with a barrage of lefts and rights and head-butts. They've rendered the masses punch-drunk

But when the masses step back and examine this onslaught, what do the masses see ?

That's right. The masses see that the mafiosa is telegraphing its punches --- as with the 'fire drills' and other blatanly-obvious activities prior to 9/11 --- and 'troop preparedness and 'standby' status of US troops in the days prior to Haiti --- as with the contaminated vaccines being dispersed prior to the 'Pigs Might Fly' flue --- as with the pre-ordering of 'naked body scanners' six months prior to the 'crotch bomber's fiasco --- and as with the standby status of emergency vehicles and crews prior to the Joe Stack event


The mafiosa is too big, clumsy and out of condition to strike like lightning. The mafios relies on threat and bluff to demoralise its opponents (you and me) so they'll stand there, rocking on their feet and taking the slams to the kidneys

Well, tough. The opponents (you and me) have stepped back and studied this bully-brute that is our 'world leaders' and we see it for precisely what it is: corrupt, cowardly, greedy, bulling, immoral, murderous

and fit ONLY to be hanged and shot and dismembered

[edit on 19-2-2010 by Dock9]

The difference I see here is the fact that this man was being harassed and persecuted by a government, a system that he struggled to change through legal means and throughout that process he was literally laughed at and shown that it was all in vain.

The other major difference here is the fact that Joe was willing to fight against a system and even give his life as a testimony in order to wake people up to the reality of this oppressive draconian regime that we have running our lives.

Oh, and he wasn't killing people in the name of an imagery friend in the sky because a book of fairy tales told him to.

I did not Star and Flag because I am in agreement with the OP. I just wanted to clarify and emphasize this fact.

Instead, I would not mind some of the posts in this thread getting more attention.

Dock9, and others, thank you for bringing up and making some awesome points.

Right now it is all just speculation, but regardless of who did it or why... I know exactly who is going to benefit from it, and how.

No matter who wins, we the people lose. We have already lost. And those in power are simply grasping at the last of our freedoms that they can get. Our concerns, as We the People, are getting to be less and less significant every day.

1984 here we come. I SWEAR, the only one to benefit from these kinda incidents, is the US government. They will punish ALL OF US, no matter who did it.

Congratz, US government....
You may now take another freedom away. -_-

*rant.end*

What I'd like to know is whether any of these armed chair revolutionaries cheering this guy come out away from the confort and protection of this computer screen and walk the talk. Who here is pr epared to go down to the families of the two people that died as the result of this crashand tell them "it needed to be done". I'd bet my bottom dollar none would, instead they'll continue to sit behind their screens calling for violence because they dont like taxes.