ATS Troll or Enemy of Ignorance?

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posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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What I find ironic is that the 'true believers' have come into this thread and are doing the exact thing that they claim skeptics do in their thread.

OK.. all is fair in love and war but you really have just forfeited your future rights to complain about how a certain 'faction' has come into your thread to refute.

You know.. people in glass houses and all that....

Comedy Gold!

IRM




posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by BrokenVisage
1st line.

Phage is a phony, that is all.


that has to be one of the best and funniest one line posts in all of ats history



on topic, i have to say if this is about whether or not trolls are actually a good thing or not, no they arent

its one thing to ask legitimate questions, or make intelligent statements, or come to the thread with at least some logic and evolved sense of knowledge, its another thing to be a troll, its another thing to be a jerk like the new "ats t and c lite" likes to refer to these "people" as


ats has trolls, not too long ago i actually came across a site teaching people how to be ats trolls actually mentioning the site by name and linking to it, between that and any who may truly be "disinfo" agents are absolutely horrible plagues



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Dramey
ats has trolls, not too long ago i actually came across a site teaching people how to be ats trolls actually mentioning the site by name and linking to it, between that and any who may truly be "disinfo" agents are absolutely horrible plagues


Interesting, I was unaware of this. For what purpose are people being taught to do this? To disrupt discussion of certain topics, or simply to have fun being a nuisance? Strange, the ways some people choose to make use of their free time.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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Please excuse my edit (shortened) of your well intentioned thread:


Originally posted by Mr Mask
How many times have you witnessed an educated poster spending time and energy to smarten up some “ignorant” ATS user, only to be repaid with slanderous titles such as disinfo-agent, cointel or troll?

Skeptics KEEP this website ALIVE!!!

Read that and understand that now.

In fact, a debunker/skeptic is your hero and savior, a fighter for truth and logic, an enemy of ignorance.

Do not blame the skeptic for sounding snotty when he explains for the millionth time that your favorite guru got busted for lying years ago. He has every right to grow tired of people too dumb or lazy to find that information for themselves.


I have to say; I never realized the weight you carry on your shoulders.

As I read, I began to see the enormous amount of righteous work that you have to do, here on ATS:


Originally posted by Mr Mask
In fact, skeptics should be given medals for the work they do.

No thread is off limits to the rational dissection of a working debunker.

No hoax, scam or fantasy of the mentally ill is safe from the working enemies of ignorance, and nothing stands to defend “falsehood” from “fact”.

I salute each and every single one of you skeptics out there working to accost the flood of nonsense on this site.

And I have the utmost respect for every single debunker saving/serving ATS every day.

I wouldn’t use this site if it wasn’t for you rational guys and girls kicking ass in the name of truth and skepticism.



Rock on, Mr. DeBunker. May the weight of our ignorance never grow too heavy for your broad shoulders.

For you:




[edit on 19-2-2010 by Dogdish]



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Dogdish

I have to say; I never realized the weight you carry on your shoulders.

As I read, I began to see the enormous amount of righteous work that you have to do, here on ATS:


But remember, Masky-Mask is a superhero, he can handle it!




posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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When I start a thread, I fully expect my point of view to be challenged and interrogated. Thesis + antithesis = synthesis.

Of course, I like the people who agree with me, but the skeptics keep me on my toes and often bring out points and information I haven't thought about. Yes, they sometimes hurt my feelings too, but I live.

I try to pick subjects that don't have black or white answers and can be looked at from different perspectives.

That's the challenge and the fun of bringing up subjects on ATS.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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I don't have a problem with skeptics but I do have a problem with close-minded hypocrites pretending to be skeptics. Arguing for the sake of arguing gets boring very quickly.

Sure everyone is entitled an opinion but I get amazed why so many people refuse to keep an open mind and consider things that either they thought were impossible or far-fetched to put it mildily. I know for sure I would not be on ATS if eccentric things did not interest me. The world and the universe is much stranger than we think!



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:48 PM
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As much as I dont want to jerk off my ego I think skepticism is the only real thing that should be respected... and by that I mean people demanding evidence and credible sources and such, not people who just refuse to believe there is anything special of the world.

I find it funny... or maybe sad when people see lights/nightvis of something in the sky and jump to conclusion it had to come from a nother planet and even worse when they give a specific title to it like 'Draconian flag ship'

Think about what Hitler said, "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

Scammers and egotists will lie to you about extraordinary things, just for the attention or personal gain.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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even though im not a skeptic, i like this thread because you guys have a voice and an opinion as well, and many of you have debunked things i thought to be true that were not, as far as im concerned you guys are just as impotant when it comes to help on the research and evidence finding as us belivers so keep up the good finds, trust no one and question everything.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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without skeptics this would be another "i believe everything" kind of forum. And I don't like those.
They're the reason I'm staying here. A little common sense doesn't hurt anybody.

BTW I love Phage's posts, I'm his fan (not kidding) he haves certain skills at debunking time that I really appreciate



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ridhya
As much as I dont want to jerk off my ego I think skepticism is the only real thing that should be respected... and by that I mean people demanding evidence and credible sources and such, not people who just refuse to believe there is anything special of the world.


Asking for evidence to support a conspiracy theory is fair practice.

However, asking for credible sources is faulty logic at best, because we all know(or should know) that a conspiracy implies secrecy. When things are done in secret normally we have only hear-say.

If a conspiracy theory was somehow proven, then it no longer remains a CT, it becomes a CF!



Originally posted by Ridhya
I find it funny... or maybe sad when people see lights/nightvis of something in the sky and jump to conclusion it had to come from a nother planet and even worse when they give a specific title to it like 'Draconian flag ship'

Think about what Hitler said, "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

Scammers and egotists will lie to you about extraordinary things, just for the attention or personal gain.


While quantity does not necessarily equate to quality, you have to wonder at what point does "dellusion" become reality. Surely thousands of ufos cannot all be swamp gas, ballons, russian missles, satellites, planes, unicorn farts, etc.

The law of probability states that at least some(if not many) of those unidentified flying objects are likely alien craft. Maybe 1%, maybe 5% or even 20%! Who really knows and speaks the truth?!



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by BrokenVisage
1st line.

Phage is a phony, that is all.


So why did Phage deserve that comment? I can only surmise that some people are jealous of the respect he gets for his knowledge and straight talking.

Edit to add: Thanks Mods!


IRM


[edit on 20/2/10 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Oh wow.

Now why can't I have groupies as loyal as you? Hmph!



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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I find it interesting that the biggest sceptic-haters are the members whose posts are lousy with misspellings and grammatical errors.

They can't all be non-native English speakers, surely? Or are non-Anglo-Saxons somehow more credulous than people who learnt their English at their mothers' knees?

I doubt it, somehow. But then, I doubt everything; I'm a sceptic.



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 12:16 AM
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"A debunker/skeptic is not cointel because you failed to do any real investigation into all those FEMA coffins that Alex Jones made you crap your pants over last year."


.....since you mentioned it, what is your take on this one? And just what are they for???




posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by MajorDisaster
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Oh wow.

Now why can't I have groupies as loyal as you? Hmph!


Clearly you've nothing constructive or intelligent to say in regards to the topic as your post demonstrates. Perhaps you've given yourself a clue there.

Just sayin'

IRM


[edit on 20/2/10 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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well checks and balances = good. PROVIDED the check and balance is being honest. if the matter is one of concern for the safety of others, then no problemo, i can see the need for being cautious. however, without a reason given other than the disagreement on the mainstream view on a point vs. the alternative view, to me, that's not enough cause to explode into name calling and accusations as to a person's mental health or job qualifications or accusations of cointel or government spying. difference of opinion, no problem. difference of opinion including insults, character assassination, improper usage of words related to mental health, and so on, that's past debunking or skepticism or belief, right on over the edge into "protesting too much".





[edit on 20-2-2010 by undo]



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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Ah for sure, dont get in to philosophy with me or I will tell you how nothing can actually be truly 'known'


Law of probability states some must be aliens? Says who? The aliens? If they came and torturred you and said they were benevolent aliens would you believe them? Is it more likely like Muse says they're just our leaders in disguisse?

Sorry finlandia talkin for me



posted on Feb, 20 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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This is what i have found in researching global warming and the environmental movement.

A good disinformation agent presents a large amount of facts with a small amount of disinformation "Bites"that biases the endpoint to his views.

If all he presented was disinformation people would seen only the disinformation and could check the information and find fault with it.

But few check all the information for facts and overlook the small bites of disinformation'

This changes the picture when taken as a whole and makes the disinformation look like fact.

If i told you that all dogs were red no one would believe me.

But if i told you that dogs were all colors some would believe me.
others would know that all colors include blue and there are no blue dogs.

This is disinformation.

Disinformation agents are not trying to convince everyone just a few.

The next thing the disinformation agent may say is that dogs are all colors but blue.
OK how you know there are no green dogs.
But a few people are not going to catch this and will believe.

This is the basis of disinformation not telling pure falsehoods.
just "bites" of misinformation.
Over time they then feed a number of these "bites" in with a lot of good information.
And over time these "bites" of disinformation add up every-time someone talks about the subject different people in the conversations will add in the "bites" they remember. Few will talk about the "facts" everyone knows.
Just the "bites" of disinformation

Repeat disinformation long enough and more will believe it must be "facts".

Call people that don't believe the "bites" denier's and some will ignore these people even if all they present is provable "facts".

With global warming CO2 is only used to fill in for the global warmer udder dislike for anything they believe is pollution.

They believe that if they can stop anyone from say burning coal/oil because it puts out CO2 that all other pollution from coal/oil will be stopped.

This is why they claim there is no way to make power from coal/oil by sequestering the CO2.
This would stop CO2 from coal from causing global warming but not give them what they want the total end to the use of coal/oil.

Why did they pick CO2 as a element to use.
Because every fuel they don't like long before global warming puts out CO2(except nuclear power)
And every source of power they always liked long before global warming does not put out CO2.
Watch they will claim they are not against nuclear power but in the background they will do all they can to block nuclear power plants

Its funny how CO2 is so convenient for what they want.



The same thing applies to the anti gun people.
How may anti gun congress people have been caught being elites and having guns.
forums.gunsandammo.com...

U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein was accused of hypocrisy when it became public information that despite her stringent anti-gun record, the Senator maintained a Concealed Weapons permit and actively carried a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver for her personal safety.

these same senators put out the fake stories on GUNS sold in border states and mexico.

Sen. Feinstein also repeated the claim that 90 percent of guns seized in the Mexican drug war are from America. This claim has become a staple of media coverage, but it's deeply misleading.

www.nraila.org...


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