Sarah Palin... Fascist?

Notice: Not much needs to be said if you are keeping up with politics.


Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

This speaks for itself.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Palin is a social conservative. Palin opposes same-sex marriage and supports the death penalty . Palin opposes embryonic stem cell research, and abortion, calling herself "as pro-life as any candidate can be." She supports laws requiring parental consent for minors seeking an abortion. (Wikipedia)

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Not much to say here either.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Did Sarah Palin Try to Ban Library Books?

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Look at the above source on banning books.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

Again... books.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Palin is a social conservative. Palin opposes same-sex marriage and supports the death penalty. Palin opposes embryonic stem cell research, and abortion, calling herself "as pro-life as any candidate can be." She supports laws requiring parental consent for minors seeking an abortion.

Death penalty and pro-life HA.(sorry, just realized what was said)



Anyway... I'm not saying she is Fascist, but I'm just looking at the information on Fascism, and saw connections, I think the connections are mainly towards social conservatives though.

Comments or criticism welcome.

en.wikipedia.org...




[edit on 18-2-2010 by Phlynx]

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Phlynx]

Not sure about fascist, but she's definitely a clown... and a numpty.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can just as easily be explained by incompetence.

She's Bush Jr. with a pair of nice breasts.

Fascist? No.. just stupid. Horribly... horribly, stupid.

I'm just looking at the information on Fascism

Some of the best advise given on breaking down and defining fascism I've yet to come across, was given by George Orwell - who wrestled with the concept in his famous dystopian novels.

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

Full Text: George Orwell - What is Fascism?

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Lasheic]

-rubs temples-

Sarah Palin/Republicans are not Facists, but they tend to demonstrate some traits
Obama/Democrats are not Socialists, but they tend to demonstrate some traits.

the people whom simply want to generalize simply state...make your choice, facism or socialism...

I used to be a Palin fan but she's totally co opted now.

Still built like a brick +snip+ house though!


Cutting out some of the arts? Have you seen the crap called art nowadays? Have you seen what passed for intellectuality?

Art- Elephant crap smeared on canvas? Crucifix in a jar of piss? Walking on an American Flag to sign a book?

yeah. That took a lot of thought. Pollock had emotion in his garbage at least !

Intellectuals? Sean Penn? Yeah, Spicolli is a real genius. Matt Damon? Oprah? Huffington (zsa zsa gabor redux)!

come on dude. If your gonna bash her, do a better job.

Unless this is your level of artistic enjoyment.

maybe try some Alphonse Mucha, Dali, or maybe Matisse doing his restaurant scenes that actually convey the moment.

Intellectuals? Ayn Rand, Asimov, Nietzsche, hell! Even the band Muse!

The bar is set far too low nowadays. the sixties were a disaster for any type of culture that valued bathing daily!

Geez...here recently I've been gigged by a couple of mods for throwing out "rhetoric" but for crying out loud, if any post here is truly rhetoric and propaganda, it's this one.

Any of those cited "characteristics" could be applied to any of our founding fathers or any of our more successful leaders.

Do we not have an actual "common threat or foe"?

Shouldn't the "Supremacy of the Military" be actual among all leaders, given that it was given primacy in the Preamble to the Constitution? ("...provide for the common defense").

Barack Obama and "liberals" have done more to attempt to control the media than any other group, via the "Fairness Doctrine" and an attempted revival of same.

Was this country not predicated on strong Christian principles, despite attempts by secularists to erase that tradition?

In re: "Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked"-- Has the Obama administration not wholeheartedly revived the 'Patriot Act'? As I recall, most of the purges of intellectuals throughout modern history have been conducted by either the so-called "progressives" -- communists & socialists (Stalin, Hitler).

"There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations." Barack Obama has strongly supported and funded the "Homeland Security Department" which is as close to an internal, national police force as the US has ever had.

So, finally, the assumption that Conservatives like Palin are 'fascist" is just materially and substantively incorrect. Fascists throughout history have been of the 'progressive' bent. Hitler called himself a socialist, and attempted to model his government in that way, but he was a fascist. Same with Mussolini. Same with Barack Obama. All of these men attempted to amalgamate a once free-market economic system with the centralized system they controlled.

A more correct term is "Statist" -- Barack Obama, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin were all Statists.

Sarah Palin is not.

Talking about how "incompetent" she is or how her breasts look won't change that.

Alah Keyes has pointed out that Palin is in fact not prolife and so has Texe Marrs. Palin says she wants to make abortion a states right, like setting traffic laws.

The right to life is a civil right, basic to all other rights.

Denigrating abortion to the level of setting speed limits on the local highway is not prolife.

Originally posted by MMPI2
Geez...here recently I've been gigged by a couple of mods for throwing out "rhetoric" but for crying out loud, if any post here is truly rhetoric and propaganda, it's this one.

So for having another opinion, what I am saying is propaganda? That is quite a stupid assumption.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Phlynx]

Sarah is just the opposite of a Fascist. Anyone who thinks Sarah is a Fascist has obviously NOT been doing their homework and is only getting their info from the MSM or extreme liberal sources.

Also, anyone who thinks Sarah is stupid should take a long look in the mirror because that is a ridiculous statement and again they must have been brainwashed by the MSM or extreme liberal sources.

Unfortunately, it is easier for some people to take the word and opinions of others while watching 30 second YouTube clips instead of doing their own research and using their own brain to form original thought.

The whole book banning by Palin is total rubbish and a lie. Those who believe this are only proving my points listed above regarding the MSM and extreme liberal sources.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List

All the lies and misrepresentation of Sarah is sad and shows how far some wil go to prevent those who believe in LESS government, LOW taxes, LESS regulation and Individualism to gain power.

Fascism is private ownership and private enterprise, BUT directed by the state. For instance, the government allows private car companies to exist, but runs them. The government allows private banks or investment firms, but runs them. The government allows private energy companies, but runs them. Hmmmm... who is the fascists really.

Sarah Palin is not my ideal candidate, but she is neither stupid, nor a fascist. Perhaps we would prefer a president that takes 4 months to determine troop deployments, or is "agnostic" to tax increases, or says no tax increases for the middle class, and then taxes the middle class, or says that his health care plan just hasn't been well explained...when that president has no healthcare plan and has only to well explained the one in Congress and the people clearly reject it.

"The Middle East has been a problem in that region for centuries." Who said that, it wasn't Sarah Palin. How stupid do you have to be to keep moving up the spending limits of the US Government, present budgets with trillion dollar deficits, and then form a commitee to find out how to cut spending and solve the deficit problem?

Ya know something, she doesn't appear so stupid afterall.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Sarah is just the opposite of a Fascist. Anyone who thinks Sarah is a Fascist has obviously NOT been doing their homework and is only getting their info from the MSM or extreme liberal sources.

Also, anyone who thinks Sarah is stupid should take a long look in the mirror because that is a ridiculous statement and again they must have been brainwashed by the MSM or extreme liberal sources.

Unfortunately, it is easier for some people to take the word and opinions of others while watching 30 second YouTube clips instead of doing their own research and using their own brain to form original thought.

The whole book banning by Palin is total rubbish and a lie. Those who believe this are only proving my points listed above regarding the MSM and extreme liberal sources.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List

All the lies and misrepresentation of Sarah is sad and shows how far some wil go to prevent those who believe in LESS government, LOW taxes, LESS regulation and Individualism to gain power.

In your case you are replacing the liberal media sources that I shouldn't be looking at, with the conservative media sources. My source was wikipedia.

You try to bash everything I said with no sources but something that appears to be a blog.

Originally posted by WhatTheory




All the lies and misrepresentation of Sarah is sad and shows how far some wil go to prevent those who believe in LESS government, LOW taxes, LESS regulation and Individualism to gain power.

If you believe that this is what exgov Palin will bring; you show extreme naiveté. Sarah will sell out to the highest corporate bidder on all issues; allow tax breaks to obscenely profitable oil companies just like Bush and continue the PNAC.
That sir is fascism when the corporations decide policy rather than the voters. Much like what we have in place now with Obama.

www.angelfire.com...


[edit on 21-2-2010 by whaaa]

I do not like Sarah Palin's politics but I do not agree with the Wikipedia defination.

Fascism is anti democratic. Fascist strategy consists of a pincer movement of participating in democratic politics and also organising terror gangs. Fascists need to control the streets.

This strategy was seen in Italy (under Mussolini) Germany and Hitler and is more currently seen in Europe (see the BNP).

Of course Fascism is a term of insult so has strayed in popular parlance some distance from the technical defination.

T

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Tiger5]

Sarah Palin for president 2012! She will restore America to its' former greateness by reinstituting Christianity into government and making us great again, just like before the civil rights legislation!

(Obviously this is absolute sarcasm), she is a total idiot. She can take her religion and stick where the sun don't shine, and I don't mean London! She wants America to look like it did before the equal rights, because with minorities unable to vote she will silence the opposition.

Could you imagine a person who was "on the phone with a president of Africa" as a possible leader of your Country guys?!
That is so scary for me it's just beyond belief! You don't need another Bush or God forbid Cheney or some other Kissinger-like genocidal maniac.
She might not be a nazzi, but she is very simple and uneducated Woman, who should stick to advertising a g-string and bra's.
You need Congressman Dr, Ron Paul as your next President and you will have no problem dealing with other countries once your military returns home, protecting your soil, abolish Fed reserve, IRS..
You will be respected again. instead of being accused of silent genocide and rape of dozens of countries.
Down with Fed!

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Apolon]

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by MMPI2
Geez...here recently I've been gigged by a couple of mods for throwing out "rhetoric" but for crying out loud, if any post here is truly rhetoric and propaganda, it's this one.

So for having another opinion, what I am saying is propaganda? That is quite a stupid assumption.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Phlynx]

Yeah, what you are saying is propaganda. Plain and simple. And, yes, your assumption is stupid.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Fascism is private ownership and private enterprise, BUT directed by the state. For instance, the government allows private car companies to exist, but runs them. The government allows private banks or investment firms, but runs them. The government allows private energy companies, but runs them. Hmmmm... who is the fascists really.

Good points. Also, who is the president that decided to co-opt a major share of the US automobile industry, and then start replacing the companies' CEOs?

Also, who is pushing REAL hard to absorb and then run an industry that is one-sixth of the US economy (e.g., health care)?

Why, that would be the statists' favorite son - BARACK OBAMA!!

Barack Obama is a fascist, just like his "progressive" supporters...it't too bad they're too simple to understand that fact.

Originally posted by Phlynx
In your case you are replacing the liberal media sources that I shouldn't be looking at, with the conservative media sources.

A) The MSM or liberal sources will not defend Sarah so where else is one supposed to get a story stating the truth.

B) I guess you did not see the links in the article which prove everything written in the article.

My source was wikipedia.

So what?
You do know Wiki is really NOT a good source of accurate info right?

You try to bash everything I said with no sources but something that appears to be a blog.

Again, I guess you did see or care to follow the links in the article. Typical

BTW, your opinion is not fact.

[edit on 2/21/2010 by WhatTheory]

Originally posted by whaaa
If you believe that this is what exgov Palin will bring; you show extreme naiveté. Sarah will sell out to the highest corporate bidder on all issues; allow tax breaks to obscenely profitable oil companies

You are entitled to your wrong opinion but you do realize that is only your opinion unless you are a mind reader and know the future.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

BTW, your opinion is not fact.

Nor is yours. I never said my opinion was fact either.