1st Martyr of the 2nd American Revolution?

A misguided and disgruntled pilot involved in a domestic dispute plows his private airplane into the Echelon Building housing the IRS, in Austin Texas today!
Reports also state that the pilot torched his own home!
Obviously, some will take advantage of this sorrowful situation as a beginning for the second American Revolution. This is very sad, that things have deteriorated, to this point in American history. And I’m afraid to say, that this maybe just the beginning.
What do you think? Could this be the horrible beginning of the end?
Could this be a False Flag?
My prayers go out to all of causalities.
May G_D bless America.
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The "beginning of the end" as you put it, started about 80 years ago when the Federal Reserve took over the coining of our currency. Since that time, this was the logical end-point.

As situations become more desperate for more people, you will see more of these incidences. Next will be rioting in under-served urban neighborhoods. Once that begins it will be a very slow unravelling leading to anarchy and chaos.

I think it may be a false flag, one that our government could use to target anti-tax protesters.

Or, a way in which to bring in TSA-like "security measures" to private planes.

Obviously, some will take advantage of this sorrowful situation as a beginning for the second American Revolution.

reply to post by Violater1


Why do you think this is the case?

I feel for him and his family, along with everyone else involved....but I don't see this being the catalyst for revolution.

A second Shay's Rebellion then, perhaps?

reply to post by Violater1


Take advantage? You speak of it like it is a bad thing. The sooner the revolution comes the better.

And as far as a false flag, highly doubt it. This isn't impactful enough to be a false flag or a "shot heard round the world". If anything it will be taken advantage of by the government. Don't be surprised if it comes how that he was an avid member of the Tea Party and they use this to discredit the group as extremists.

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What is your information that he may have attacked the government? Sorry for being short.

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Live feed at
www.myfoxaustin.com...
How sad, one person not accounted for.

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a Manifesto he might have left

www.businessinsider.com...

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They will probably find child porn on his computer and multiple stolen military firearms as well.

I take back my reply. After reading that manifesto I do indeed see this as substantial. What I originally believed to be the work of some disgruntled tax payer I now see that it is more than only that.

This is most definitely a shot that has been fired from our side towards the government. How far it will go, we can only guess. Hopefully at the very least this man's manifesto gets read by as many people as possible. If that happens then perhaps he will have made a lasting impression by his death.

FoxNews reports that the pilot's name is Joseph Allen Stack, born in 1956.
He also left a seven page blog.

Joseph Andrew Stack, the pilot of the plane that hit an office building housing IRS offices in Austin Texas today posted an anti-government manifesto today before allegedly deliberately flying into the building.

Link: www.businessinsider.com...

I'm currently on assignment for the rest of the Olympics in Canada, however we are still following this story here, although we are not directly reporting on it.

The writing seems to be much like the kind of anti-government rants here on ATS. If this is the start of something larger, this could be a very scary thing. I've been saying to look for domestic terrorists attacks in the United States, that they would start up again, and I hate being right about such a horrible thing.

If I may editorialize a bit more upon this though, I do not believe that violent protests will be victorious, America will not fall to any acts of terrorism, international or domestic. For the lives of the innocent however, please, I the would-be revolutionaries, let this be the end of the violence.

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The violence is only beginning.


To me, this is the best news I've seen in months. I'm proud to call this man my countryman. He had enough and unlike most people who would rather hide behind messages of peace and "waiting it out" it did something to get himself noticed in a world where many will go unnoticed.

Not only that but he left final words of his purpose and because of his actions, many people are going to read those words. Many people are going to wake up thanks to this man. The revolution only grows stronger because of his actions.

Whether or not he chose his "target" off of intelligence or out of emotion is the only problem I see. He did what he thought he had to do and I commend him for it.

Now... let others make their voices heard as well. If this is the only way that people will listen, then so be it. If the people would stop being so blind and delusional to begin with it wouldn't have to be this way. They bring it upon themselves.

1st martyr? No. Senseless death and destruction? Yes. This is not a statement of my opinion, this is what I believe the media will spin it into being, another whackjob with money and marital problems loses it story.
I think lepermessiah has a point, that this will unleash an outcry for regulation of private planes and more probably pilots.
This isn't the first time this has happened as you may recall someone did the same thing at the white house back in the 90's.
I think along with firearms, private planes are on the wish list for the PTB to be eliminated. They represent freedom to escape the country if needed and as in this case, can be used as an offensive weapon. No doubt there will new legislation to give private pilots psychological exams and drug testing at a minimum. Probably vast increases in licensing fees that will weed out all but the very wealthy.
His letter was articulate and he sounded to be an intelligent person. Considering how many times he claimed to have "lost" his retirement funds I have to wonder what the real story was behind that.
I don;t think this will spark anything except new legislation to make our politicos look good. Besides, his crashing a plane into a building would possibly take INNOCENT lives with his own, invalidating whatever it was that he was supposedly taking revenge for.
Joe Stack, you wasted your own life and perhaps the lives of others. That was not heroic, it was an act of cowardice. Shame on you! There were better ways to defend freedom than to give the govt one more excuse to limit our rights.

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I've always thought you were out of your mind, but if this man did this willfully, he is a suicide bomber. Innocent people may still be dead in that building. You live in a democratic country and you are advocating terrorism over voting?

You can vote, you can change your system peacefully and without fear. Do you have any idea how wonderful and amazing that freedom is? You can have a revolution again and again without violence simply by voting.

Instead you are saying you are happy about a violent and disgusting terrorist attack! That is not even the easy way out it is just disgusting and evil. Get help.

Just finished reading his manifesto - he's spot on!

The government had better take note - when an average Joe Stack is feeling this way, you can rest assured that a HUGE majority of people share the same sentiment. Because of that, you can reasonably expect a number of copy-cats and a number of people looking to up the ante on their act of "protest".

Like I said earlier, the more people who find themselves in dire situations, the more of these kinds of acts you can expect to see on the news.

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Please Sir, refrain from name calling ie "wackjob."
There has been enough pain dealt out today.

I think most Americans are simply fed up with the IRS, the losers in Washington, DC and the criminals at the Federal Reserve. They have had their lives and wealth squandered away for long enough.

This is probably why the IRS just placed a big order for weapons. So they could kill Americans who don't want to pay the protection fees anymore.

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


I am not an advocate for violence and rather see peace, but you have to ask yourself..What good is voting going to do? They are controlled, and if somehow a seemingly good person gets into office, they are likely to become corrupt. Peaceful means gets us nowhere, violent means also gets us nowhere. One has to wonder, what is there to do then?