Americans: Supreme Court got it wrong! 80 Percent oppose ruling!

Originally posted by Logarock
Heck man! Many of these against this ruling were saying nothing for years as some "organizations" were running their mechine off of tax money and wealthy private contributors.

Organizations that would have otherwise failed, were propped up really more as propaganda mechines.

The left is simply scared now that the "level playing field" idea is out the window and thus so much of thier phoney persona of being on par as a ligit political entitie. You know they same way thier "prophet" college professiors have taken over higher education on eveyones dime, to include tax money, gives them a platform to appear ligit in their leftest dogma.

Corp money still has to compete with the press, the education system, asundry established platforms ect ect.

This is what will kill America. The percentage of people who will proudly stand up and fight for a corporation that is screwing them in every way. As long as this corporation is able to spin media to make it look like they have been victimized by "evil" labor unions and those Communist professors.

Wake up. Multi-national corporate behemoths don't give a crap about the Republican party or the Democratic party. It is an ends to a means to make you ignorant of the reality while they take control of government.

If you were educated at all on current events, you'd know that corporations successfully worked with Democrats to make healthcare reform a huge bonus for them and a punishment to the people. Your assertion that corporations are now somehow going to usher in the golden age of conservatism or "level the playing field" with the left is, unfortunately, ignorant of reality.

Of course it's wrong on the face of it but it's even more insidious because it lessens the severity of what special interests ALREADY owned in Washington. It's TOO easy for politicians NOW to get up in arms over this as it is a no brainer fight for them and it shows the weak willed that the politicos are fighting for us. This couldn't be further from the truth. They WERE already in the pocket of these very same special interests but now they can blame the supreme court for corptocracy of America and exculpate themselves from any accountability in the promises they make to corporations previously and under the table. In short, IT STINKS!

It's the old idiom of "give an inch and they take a mile" well the political hacks have long since given multitudes of inches to the special interests and now people are just getting incensed about the mile they take. These two faced supposed leaders of ours will vow to fight this with one hand and the other will continue to take special interest monies. These are the same crooks who voted for TARP for the bailouts and now can turn around say they are on OUR side? THEY are the ones that sold us up the river in the first place!

By getting incensed about the mile we lose sight of the inches that made it possible in the first place.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

It is fine that a corporation would be seen as a person. The legalities behind it make it a good way to conduct business.

I don't agree. Looks like a back-door edge-of-the-wedge legal trick to me. Shenanigans designed to position big corporations and big money to take-over the country legally.

"Legal Corporate Entities" can conduct business with "persons" - and did, before corporations were recognized as "persons."

We just need to make sure that it is kept to "1 person = 1 voice". No 1 element is given more input than another. It will already happen to an extent, but this is institutionalizing it as a way of governance.

Uh uh. Corporations run this country. Because they are treated as "persons" - doubly distressing because such treatment is just a legal habit, not law.

Moreover, trade law allows corporations to negotiate with governments on an equal footing at the same table with governments!

What individual person could EVER have that kind of voice and power?

In this system, by habit but NOT law, corporations have:

1. The Rights granted to individual persons, but NONE of the accountability or responsibilities of individual persons (just try sentencing a corporation to jail time).

Under trade law, corporations have:

2. The right to negotiate as equals with governments, and thus, the political power of nations - but NONE of the accountability and responsibilities of governments.

In fact, the primary legal mandate governing corporate activity is:

3. The Right to Profit, above all other considerations.


I'm thinking something is quite seriously wrong with this picture.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


"The only problem I have with this is that it does set a dangerous precedent if we have judgment via popular opinion in this country"

QUOTE FROM YOU...burdman30ott6


REALLY this explains everything for putting the clown by popular opinion BHO in the house .....good job ,thank you for clarifying this!

yes I know a little out of place since this thread concerns the supreme court ruling but fits right in don't you think!

keep drinking the kool-aid....how's that hope and change thing working out for you!LMFAO

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

... Multi-national corporate behemoths don't give a crap about the Republican party or the Democratic party. It is an ends to a means to make you ignorant of the reality while they take control of government.

In a nutshell.

Thanks for posting this, David.

I broke a long standing rule of mine and signed the petition. This is worth it.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
So we can consider the actual issue:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I would like to know when we decided a corporation is a person...also, can my toaster be considered a person?

We never did. Corporations are NOT defined or protected as "persons" in the Constitution. Consequently, they should NOT be afforded the Rights of personhood.

The SCOTUS judgment is definitely questionable - it's based on interpretation, NOT the Constitution. Precedents be damned. Time to take back our country.



ed. to add:

In fact, the Supreme Court DID attempt to make law with it's ruling, and to establish corporations as "persons" under law. Not right, not legal.

Stand up here and be counted:

We Move to Amend.


From the petition:

"We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United, and move to amend our Constitution to:

1. Firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights."



“I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and to bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Logan. November 12, 1816








[edit on 18-2-2010 by soficrow]

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
The only problem I have with this is that it does set a dangerous precident if we have judgement via popular opinion in this country. While I agree that this SCOTUS ruling didn't seem right, it was at least a justifiable ruling based on the COnstitution and existing law. Unlike the Roe vs Wade ruling (for example) which was purely an example of lawmaking from the bench rather than their stated job of law interpretation and was based much more on public opinion than on any tangible legal precident. Likewise, if our Supreme Court ruled based on public opinion, most all of our past civil rights cases would have been decided oppositely because the prevailing public attitudes at that time were strongly in favor of maintaining status quo.

You're kidding right??? Why bring abortion into a corporate issue. Its totally irrelevant. And, there is nothing constitutional about handing over unlimited rights of rule to corporations. That's called fascism in the purest sense, and we're supposedly a democracy.

I don't remember anyone asking me whether it was okay to extend unlimited lobbyist control to politics. Without my vote, that bill shouldn't have even existed.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by David9176


The 80% who agree with this are generally a bunch of liars. These people who are "so offended" can easily look up which corporations are giving the big money to candidates and not vote for them. Yet they still vote for them! They've been voting for them for decades. And by "them" I mean the big-money corporate McExxon candidates. So no, I don't buy that line of _______ that people are offended the slightest bit.

The ruling was just fine because it gives voters all the power. If the voters want fascism they can vote for it. Hitler was voted in. There was a recent comment on ATS how capitalism leads to fascism. Well no, only if people vote for it.

If people wouldn't have the notion its acceptable to support a "lesser evil" maybe we wouldn't have this problem in America. No, in fact, if you vote for someone and they do something terrible, YOU are responsible for it and YOU deserve to have to pay for the resulting disasters.

The 80% who oppose to this ruling do not believe in democracy because they believe only supreme court judges can be trusted to say who can and cannot be eligible for election (in this case they are saying those who don't pick up too many corporate donations above some arbitrary number cannot be voted for). Give me a break! If you don't believe in democracy then just say so but don't be intellectually dishonest and say voters both can be trusted to make a good choice and they can't be trusted to make a good choice.

Wow, im surprised about this!

I thought this would be overlooked, but im overjoyed it did not. The decision to pretty much make it open season on buying politicians is perverse to an extreme!

The ruling is Correct since it just puts corporations on the same footing as unions, it's just fairness to everyone.

I would support only individuals giving money to candidates; no corporations, no unions, no 527 organizations, no public agencies, no international groups.

Otherwise, no donations at all from anyone. Let the government give the top 3 viable candidates money to run, it would be cheaper and no one would get to buy a vote, which is the main goal.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
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"This is what will kill America. The percentage of people who will proudly stand up and fight for a corporation that is screwing them in every way. As long as this corporation is able to spin media to make it look like they have been victimized by "evil" labor unions and those Communist professors.

Wake up. Multi-national corporate behemoths don't give a crap about the Republican party or the Democratic party. It is an ends to a means to make you ignorant of the reality while they take control of government.

If you were educated at all on current events, you'd know that corporations successfully worked with Democrats to make healthcare reform a huge bonus for them and a punishment to the people. Your assertion that corporations are now somehow going to usher in the golden age of conservatism or "level the playing field" with the left is, unfortunately, ignorant of reality"

My friend, I am aware of much of this. Simply pointing out that many complainers dont know whos really been buttering thier bread. I dont hear you complaining about the reverse. And really "golden age" are your words and not at all what I had in mind.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Logarock]

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
The only problem I have with this is that it does set a dangerous precident if we have judgement via popular opinion in this country. While I agree that this SCOTUS ruling didn't seem right, it was at least a justifiable ruling based on the COnstitution and existing law. Unlike the Roe vs Wade ruling (for example) which was purely an example of lawmaking from the bench rather than their stated job of law interpretation and was based much more on public opinion than on any tangible legal precident. Likewise, if our Supreme Court ruled based on public opinion, most all of our past civil rights cases would have been decided oppositely because the prevailing public attitudes at that time were strongly in favor of maintaining status quo.

Yea but we all fail to realize that there is no "standard" for ruling that is 100% accurate...

Sometimes you have to trust the people and sometimes you must rule by the book..

In our country's case we always rule by the book, even when it doesn't make sense, as long as it benefits the money maker.

The real problem is though, now that the decision has been made...

Is there anything we can do about it ?

reply to post by David9176


You do NOT want to legalize Democracy, it is socialism which leads to communism.

This is what I do not understand about people, understand THIS...God/Nature created MAN, now Man created Government, okay.....government gives creation to corporations through licensing etc., THEREFORE, a government CANNOT be a Corporation and vice versa, BUT...The U.S. Corporation is traded on the international stock market.

Obama is the president of the company and because everyone uses a Zip Code, you are a federal resident and therefore a federal employee as you file a form 1040 every year claiming so. Also see Birth Certificate.

The"government" CAN NOT make law or enforce law, it can only enforce corporate CODE. This is what they do.

When we all wake up and stop using a Zip Code, and File a form 1041, which is real and is for the trust account created in your name, then we will set the country free.

Read this entire site here;

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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
The real problem is though, now that the decision has been made...

Is there anything we can do about it ?

That depends on The People. Will they vote in one of the two tried and failed parties? If so, i expect that we will see massive swings to the right. The right has the most to gain by gathering this money.

If we can act in spite of this, we it could be possible. But it will require new legislation, and that isn't likely under the GOP unless they see it as something that will prevent reelection.

How did corporations took over the US and slave the People? They paid politicians to made them person by law.

How did corporations became the sole financiers of political candidates and will become presidents in the future? They paid the supreme court to cement their person hood status.

Plain and simple anybody that doesn't see the conspiracy behind all this rulings will never understood or never took upon themselves to read all the warning the founder fathers made through history above the evil of corporate interference into government and politics.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
The real problem is though, now that the decision has been made...

Is there anything we can do about it ?

YES.

Move to Amend. Sign the Petition.

The Supreme Court acted outside its mandate to uphold law, NOT create it.

"On January 21, 2010, with its ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are persons, entitled by the U.S. Constitution to buy elections and run our government. Human beings are people; corporations are legal fictions. The Supreme Court is misguided in principle, and wrong on the law. In a democracy, the people rule.

We Move to Amend.

We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United, and move to amend our Constitution to:
1. Firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights."

Originally posted by David9176

This goes against all parties lines and political ideologies!!

This gives me hope!!!! Now we just need TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

damn right! Starred, Flagged, and Friended

Everyone does realize that a corporation is made up of individuals... right?

Everyone does realize that the people working for corporations aren't losing their individual rights to vote?

Everyone does realize that those same individuals still have the right to vote privately?

Sorry to tell you, but MONEY IS FREE SPEECH. You choose where you use it and what you use it on. Money is the measure of how much work we've done. Who here is foolish enough to tell people that THEIR TIME is NOT FREE SPEECH?

Be ye either HOT or COLD, for if you are lukewarm, I will spew thee out of my mouth.

Get your heads out of your butts and PUSH this agenda forward and learn from it. A corporation IS a body and the corporations aren't ALL bad. It will be the bad ones that operate behind the scenes instead of taking the opportunities put forward by such a decision.

Relax and learn. Your petitions will only show the people in power who the opposers are .. which means you're just giving out information about yourselves.

Yeah, I know, I get hot-headed, too. But it's best to get hot-headed inside your head before you go making crazy decisions.

SEE the other side, both of ya. Walk in it and feel it. See the future. And then realize that all roads lead to Rome...

Which has fallen.