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reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 06:53 AM by thoughtsfull
reply to post by seethelight


So, the US Gov takes the voting rights away of states that miss-behave??.. wow I never knew that (if it is true that is)

BTW.. Who are you calling right wing???
and who are you suggesting hates Obama???

Interested to hear what you meant by those comments.



reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:04 AM by Dynamitrios
reply to post by seethelight


you need to understand something here.

Greece tightens its peoples belt, though they were not responsible for the cleptocracy.

Also remember when the big banks were bailed out? the amounts were higher than Greeces debt, no one cared really.
You cannot possibly believe that an economy of mere 10 million people and an according low GNP due to its size is, responsible for the mighty EU to fall, thats friggin BS propaganda.
Greece is set to be a precedent case. Its all set up.

Yes Greece had a deficit, but look how J.P Morgan had a share in that development.

Welcome to politics 2.0.

Bankrupt a country, then dictate the conditions and have them hand over their sovereignity.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:14 AM by infinite
reply to post by seethelight


You've got a point.
The previous administration in Greece, lied and covered up areas of spending in order to not breach the Eurozone rules on public spending and borrowing.

If you break the rules, you deserve to be punished


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:17 AM by thoughtsfull
reply to post by Dynamitrios


Personally I felt this to be a situation where the EU could show they were an open democratic Union and out to support the peoples of the Union.. Positive reinforcement and all that.. Where as removing the voting rights (although symbolic at the moment) is negative reinforcement of who actually rules..

and I feel let down that governments of the core countries have decided to take this route of negative reinforcement.. I am also not impressed with this precedent, since it can then be applied to Portugal, Ireland, Spain etc.. and opens the door for it to be used on any state that the core nations feel are not behaving as the care nations want them to.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:22 AM by thoughtsfull
reply to post by infinite


Honestly how would you feel the French would take being told their voting rights had been suspended? I only ask as there is still a considerable amount of nationalism within Europe and no one wants to see their country humiliated on the world stage.. It's not very diplomatic and only will end causing more resentment than it fixes.

This could have been handled in a positive maner, I beleive in positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement..Given the domino effect that almost waits to happen, pushing the wrong buttons right now could have dire effects.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:35 AM by Dynamitrios
reply to post by Exuberant1


I like your hypothesis, although i could do well without the nukes.

Greece is already the most fortified and battleready nation in the EU, no need to push that further.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:42 AM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Exuberant1


Personally I would like to see an Anglo American Union of the US, UK, Canada and Australia. Something I call the "TAU" or Trans Atlantic Union.
I think if organized properly it would make a great alternative to the UN or the EU.

It would be for the Greater Good. Sorry Warhammer reference.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:44 AM by seethelight
reply to post by thoughtsfull


The US has TONS of federal legislation that is not optional.

Here's an example.

If you lower your drinking age to below 21 you lose all Federal money for repairing roads and all say in the Federal governments planning of infrastructure development,

Here's another.

Many states take away felons right to vote, but felons still pay taxes.

In addition.

Greece didn't lose it's voice in the EU. It temporarily lost a vote on one committee.

So yeah, the US will punish states and take away their money and rights if they don't obey the federal government.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:47 AM by seethelight
reply to post by alienesque


That's not true.

Greece's government has flat out refused to reduce spending, knowing what would happen.

I live in Ireland. Our spending has been slashed. We're all suffering a bit, but we're not getting bailed out.

Incompetence is believing in politicians that tell you that you can spend forever and not have to pay.

The Greek people may not of caused the crisis, but they've chosen to pretend they have no role is the solution.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 07:53 AM by Freenrgy2
reply to post by thoughtsfull


You mean you gotta pay to play?

Funny how this same mantra works in government circles the world over.



reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 08:05 AM by thoughtsfull
reply to post by seethelight


Thank you for the info on the US, I did not know those things, but do they suspend a states voting rights??

As much this is symbolic it is also a watershed moment.. and indeed their are calls from within the EU to suspend ALL Greek voting rights until it is out of the woods.

If the situation deteriorates further (which I feel it will) and the other poor countries fall into the same situation, including Ireland, this is not a good precedent to have set on the outset.

I feel that more positive approach could have been taken.. and given market forces a negative approach will only compound the issue for the Greeks.. and any other nation that gets caught up in the economic debt trap.

Bailing Greece out should come with preconditions, no different than Greece accepting IMF loans, but that should not include the removal of Greek voting rights.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 08:18 AM by Dynamitrios
reply to post by thoughtsfull


Accept IMF loans? The IMF is the one who makes foreign policy the way they do.

Only via the IMF all this was even possible. Thats the devil right there.

Itself on the top and the central (federal) banks as its arms to manipulate economy and by that movements of governmets
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