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Originally posted by Edrick
There is a significant difference between "Opposing action on climate change" and opposing the fairy tale of *ANTHROPOGENIC* climate change that the political arm of the global bankers are trying to shove down our throats.
The climate on earth changes... this is true, this has always been true.
To believe that we can predict this is ludicrous.
To believe that we can identify ONE FACTOR IN A BILLION that is solely responsible is madness.
To believe that TAXING Carbon Dioxide is an acceptable strategy is utterly fallacious, and downright insulting.
Since when did "Saving the Environment" and "Helping the Global Bankers institute a worldwide tax" become synonymous?
I think climate change is generally accepted as multifactorial - and that human activities are considered simply to be accelerating a natural trend.
The climate obviously is changing - one need only check out the melting polar ice caps to find the proof.
Quite likely, modern industry is accelerating the changes.
But whether human activities affect climate or not - industry is damaging the planet, human health, animals and the environment - all at our own peril - so there are numerous reasons to pull it all in check.
...I also think people are manipulated to polarize this issue and prevent productive forward movement - which helps the Bankers get to step in front and center with their "solution" a worldwide tax...
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by soficrow
The climate obviously is changing - one need only check out the melting polar ice caps to find the proof.
The icecaps melt every summer, and freeze again every winter. this is a well known event.
Quite likely, modern industry is accelerating the changes.
Point of fact, we do not know enough about this multivariate system known as the "Climate" to actually say that definitively.
But whether human activities affect climate or not - industry is damaging the planet, human health, animals and the environment - all at our own peril - so there are numerous reasons to pull it all in check.
Yes, I am all for reducing humanities rate of resource usage to within manageable levels.
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The government is NEVER going to solve this problem, because the CORPORATIONS ARE THE PROBLEM.
And the Corporations OWN the government.
Anything offered by the government as a solution has only one agenda... to take more money from the populous, and give it to the already obscenely wealthy.
Climate scientists are losing ground against deniers' disinformation
NOBODY EVERY SAID THAT CO2 WAS THE ONLY FACTOR IN CLIMATE CHANGE!
If it snows in my town for the next week; that would not disprove CO2's effect in climate change!
If the global temperatures go down for the next 50 years that does not disprove CO2's effect in climate change!
What we do know is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and that it can cause a moderate temperature change.
We also know that CO2 levels have been increasing exponentially and will continue to do so as third world nations industrialize.
We will never be able to fully know the science behind climate change if we just dismiss factors in the equation due to political reasons!
Originally posted by bsbray11
I could not make heads or tails of the "global warming debate" until I saw who was really behind the issue.
"Cutting down on carbon emissions," as it turns out, means limiting carbon emissions for everyone except the most massive industrial polluters who have enough money to buy the "carbon credits" to allow them to continue polluting.
The whole "global warming" nonsense is a scam. It's a scam to destroy independent industries, to consolidate power to the wealthiest industries, and on top of that to make an assload of money for people like Maurice Strong. And oh yeah, to consolidate additional power to global banking cartels, who according to the agreements drafted up on Copenhagen, would be responsible for oversight of these industries. Ummmm No.
Originally posted by infolurker
reply to post by cushycrux
Good Lord. The "Global Warming / Climate change" Hype has and is being pushed to implement "The Carbon Credit Scam". ...
Here... from the FAR LEFT. They actually tell the freeking truth about the whole scam. Well worth the first 5 minutes.
links.org.au...
...distraction from what’s really required to tackle the climate crisis.
Originally posted by pikestaff
...please Google for it or take my word that it shows average global temperatures have dropped slightly since the year 2,000,
as for that damn CO2, %0.004 of the total atmosphere! just how can so little heat so much? as one of my sons said, Mars atmosphere is %75 CO2, so why isn't mars flaming hot now???
Originally posted by pikestaff
as there is no way to post the British met. office global temperature chart from 'my pictures' in my PC, please Google for it or take my word that it shows average global temperatures have dropped slightly since the year 2,000, 3 'cool' summers in a row in the UK, damn wet winters too! as for that damn CO2, %0.004 of the total atmosphere! just how can so little heat so much? as one of my sons said, Mars atmosphere is %75 CO2, so why isn't mars flaming hot now???
Originally posted by budski
Let me be clear here, I have been a member of greenpeace for many years, I live a relatively frugal lifestyle with the minimum of appliances and no car. I believe passionately in conservation of energy, renewable energy, clean tech and stopping pollution.
But that's not what this is about - this is about control, taxation and rich people getting richer.
It really is that simple...
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by cushycrux
How can people take mars as an example?
The same way that AGW proponents can point to the "runaway greenhouse effect" on venus as an example, despite the fact that this would always have occurred on venus because of the make up of its atmoshpere and the fact it's a LOT closer to the sun, and that it's atmosphere is mostly CO2, with no CO2 sinks, no plant life etc etc
yet still, in the early days of the AGW propaganda, it was held up as what would happen to earth