Well I posted this below on the GLP site, but wanted to post it here for more thoughts. It is a technicality with the Mayan Long Count Calendar. I am
almost 100% sure that the true end of completion date of the Mayan Long Count is NOT Dec. 21st, 2012. Here is why:
Something to ponder.
The Mayan Long Count begun on 0 day or 0.0.0.0.0 which was August 11th, -3113 (astronomical counting). You can see that in the Maya Long Count to
Gregorian conversion link below.
Now some feel the Long Count had not only a 0 day but also a zero year. Between August 11th, -3113 to August 5th, -3112 was that zero year. from
0.0.0.0.0 to 0.0.1.0.0. August 6th, -3112 would be 0.0.1.0.1
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk...
Now perhaps the calendar begun counting at that 1 Year. Not at 0, but at Year 1. Just like how the Gregorian calendar begins at 1 AD. You logically
don't count starting at 0, but at 1. So it can be consider this way....
The 3rd millennium begun on Jan. 1st, 2000 if only the Gregorian calendar started at 0, but it doesn't, it begins at 1 AD, which means technically
the start of the 3rd millennium began on Jan. 1st, 2001.
Could this line of thinking than apply to the Dec. 21st, 2012 date? This essentially could be like thinking Jan. 1st, 2000 was the start of the new
millennium when technically it was Jan. 1st, 2001 because the calendar started at 1.
This means if there was a 0 year in the Long Count, which looks like that was the case, and if the calendar didn't begin counting at 0 but instead of
Year 1, then the Maya Long Count calendar technically ends a year later or 1 Tun later (360 days) from Dec. 21st, 2012. That date is Dec. 16th, 2013,
which falls on 13 Ahau.
Re: Could the Maya Long Count Calendar Be Technically Off a Year??? Quote
More thoughts on this:
I believe that Dec. 21st, 2012 is the correct long count end date, ONLY IF you are counting from zero, but I think this wasn't the case or purpose to
start at 0 in the calendar. The 0 was a placeholder. Just void, empty space, just included as a digit but not a counting number.
Thus, the Mayan Long Count year 1 starts at August 5th, -3112 (astro). which is 0.0.1.0.0 (or Year 1). It is day sign 13 Ahau as well. The next day,
August 6th, -3112 is 0.0.1.0.1 which is 1 Imix. And 1 Imix means this:
"The Classic Maya believed that an earth monster or primordial Crocodile floated in the ocean of
the Underworld. He carried the Earth on his back, nourishing and protecting all life. Thus, Crocodile supplies humanity with the underlying primal
feeling of our connection to nature and Mother Earth.
The glyph itself represents a Waterlily, a symbol of beauty, abundance and growth, and the
possibility of ascension out of the primordial soup of creation.
Out of the void, a spark of fire falls into the primordial ocean of possibilities and creation spirals into life.
With 1 Imix we are starting a new Tzolkin round of 260 days which ends on 13 Ahau. 1 Imix is a
logical place to begin counting the days. The number 1 and Imix both symbolize beginning.
According to Kenneth Johnson in Jaguar Wisdom, “this is an arbitrary point of origin. The rhythm
of the Sacred Calendar is circular; many contemporary Calendar shamans insist that it has neither beginning nor end. Nevertheless, we will follow
tradition and use 1 Crocodile as a convenient ‘beginning’.”
www.mayanmajix.com...
So there you see above, "out of void" and symbolizes beginning. So I am thinking that the true calendar starts counting at 1 just like 1 AD in our
Gregorian Calendar. This means technically then the true end of completion of the Mayan Long Count is a year later from Dec. 21st, 2012, which is Dec.
16th, 2013 or 1 tun (360 days). Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Ahau, and the next day is 1 Imix on Dec. 17th, 2013.
Here is an article discussing whether we count starting at 0 or starting at 1:
kilby.stanford.edu...
You might have heard of Carl Calleman? His Maya Long Count 'end date' is 10-28-2011 because that day falls on 13 Ahau. That was pretty much his main
reason for choosing that date because it falls on 13 Ahau.
This is what he said:
Why the Creation Cycles do not end
December 21 2012, but October 28, 2011
www.calleman.com...
"Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin
count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin
count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a
day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count."
Well guess what? Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Ahau as well!