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Fox News (conservatives) declare WAR against Higher Education

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posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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It has often been observed that the true enemy of the GOP and the neocons is neither liberals or democrats, and that it is in fact an informed and educated populace. Fox news has always waved that flag with both the quality of its information and the almost legally retarded level of intelligence of their entertainers/presenters. If anyone has any doubts as to this theory, I challenge them to watch more than an hour of Fox and Friends. The "deuce" is leading the way.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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If we remove the government subsidies, education will flourish.

MORE people will be able to attend school since it would be much cheaper AND more people would get out of school with far less debt.

Think of the benefits to society if college grads were graduating with only 5 thousand in private loan debts as opposed to 20 or 30 thousand in government subsidized debt.

All that extra cash not wasted on education can now be used for more productive things.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


If we remove the government subsidies, education will flourish.

MORE people will be able to attend school since it would be much cheaper AND more people would get out of school with far less debt.

Think of the benefits to society if college grads were graduating with only 5 thousand in private loan debts as opposed to 20 or 30 thousand in government subsidized debt.

All that extra cash not wasted on education can now be used for more productive things.



That I can agree with.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by haterproof
It has often been observed that the true enemy of the GOP and the neocons is neither liberals or democrats, and that it is in fact an informed and educated populace. Fox news has always waved that flag with both the quality of its information and the almost legally retarded level of intelligence of their entertainers/presenters. If anyone has any doubts as to this theory, I challenge them to watch more than an hour of Fox and Friends. The "deuce" is leading the way.


Beautifully stated. I think you've got a great handle on it. Star for you. Hopefully others will begin to star and flag this thread because I believe it to have the utmost importance, especially at this time in history.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Some universities actively "shout down" any opposing views.


I think you might be confusing "opposing views" for wrong views.

Aren't conservatives supposed to oppose social relativism? The idea that everyones views are equally right and everyone is entitled to their own truth...

Of course everyone is entitled to their own crazy ideas on their own time, but in a learning environment, there are actually right and wrong answers you know.


Oh, i see.
If a liberal on a campus makes the determination that a position is
wrong well then free speech is null and void. Shout them down.

That is just wonderful!



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.


Oh, and here I thought that people could think for themselves.


1. unmitigated support of Keynesian economics


I'm guessing you didn't go to the University of Chicago.


2. "diversity" mandates in course curriculum


Yeah, it's for one semester and people blow off about 50% of the classes. I didn't realize, however, that being accepting of other people's race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc was a precursor to gulags. What's next, the gay and lesbian agenda?


3. constant support of expansionist government policy


I'm going to go ahead and say that this is generally not the case.


US history as it pertains to the foundation of the constitution and constitutional law, world history as it pertains to central bank planning, etc.. etc


Have you ever looked at an intro to political science text book?


All public and most private universities live on student loan money issued by the federal government. They also live on state funding.

The professors and the administration are very well aware of this fact and thus have a major incentive to always promote a socialist agenda as it pertains to their educational curriculum.


My God, this rabbit hole is deep... how did they get all these professors in on this conspiracy and how did they get them all to keep quiet about it?


Is it fair that a man who never went to college should be forced, at the point of a gun, to hand over his hard earned money so someone else's kid can go to school on his dime?


Well, I went to college, but I would gladly pay some extra taxes to make sure that other people have the same opportunity. Oops, guess their brainwashing worked! My staunchly libertarian political science professor and hardcore conservative history professor must be so ashamed...


Is it fair that college tuition is skyrocketing under the ridiculous student loan deals setup by the federal government which now forces students into massive debt in order to finance their education?


Nope, the price of this stuff is a bit ridiculous.

Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace. . .

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist!
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.

Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em . . .

I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.
I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones.

Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol' Betty Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me.

Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there's just one man
That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.

Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,
So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out anything . . . hmm, great God!






[edit on 16-2-2010 by Someone336]



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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regulations can be burdensome. Often the mega-corporations which write them make them unnecessarily complicated, disadvantaging smaller firms who might want to compete. But if you are still convinced that deregulation and privatization are always necessarily better, let's review some recent troubles which had their genesis in deregulation:


•Sub-prime lending


•Wall Street investment scandals


•Media consolidation


•Enron, Tyco, WorldCom, etc corporate scandals


Yes, of course, there were also criminal acts involved in many of the corporate scandals, but deregulation allowed so much wrongdoing to go on legally, that disaster was simply bound to happen sooner or later.

The Carter Administration deregulated the airline industry and the effect was the bankrupting of many small airlines, consolidation by large airlines (through massive price drop to eliminate smaller competition), and a slow rise in cost once smaller players were out of the picture. Short term gain to long term corporate stranglehold.

the housing and credit market...deregulated. Wall street, deregulated, our own flipping dollar bill, removed from the gold standard by Nixon (long term for deregulated).

Deregulation blows monkey chunks, and now you want universities to become deregulated also. sure, initially there would be a drop in price to hammer away all smaller colleges and making just a bigarse walmart college, then once the monoply is established and owned by just a few corporations, the price increment will be established once again, this time all money going to the few survivors of the aftermath.

Sorry, but that boat dont float in the face of facts...but then again, facts are always liberal in nature, arent they...stupid elitist facts...part of the word is acts, and acts are preformed by actors...actors live in hollywood...omg, liberal hollywood elitists are the ones trying to pass off facts.

-shoots common sense in the foot-



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Did you even watch the video?
Fox News is just reporting on a study.
Fox News did not create the study.
Go back and watch the video.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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reply to post by mnemeth1
 


They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.

1. unmitigated support of Keynesian economics

2. "diversity" mandates in course curriculum

3. constant support of expansionist government policy


What you describe may pertain to the College of Liberal Arts (which encompasses the Social Science categories among other things) but does not pertain to the School of Business (as a personal example.) The general sweeping allegations don't work, you need to break down which "Schools" within the Univ. you are talking about or your message is moot.


ETA:

If we remove the government subsidies, education will flourish.

MORE people will be able to attend school since it would be much cheaper AND more people would get out of school with far less debt.

Think of the benefits to society if college grads were graduating with only 5 thousand in private loan debts as opposed to 20 or 30 thousand in government subsidized debt.

All that extra cash not wasted on education can now be used for more productive things.


Agree with this. It would be a starting place, no doubt.



[edit on 16-2-2010 by LadySkadi]



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


Did you even watch the video?
Fox News is just reporting on a study.
Fox News did not create the study.
Go back and watch the video.


I'm aware, and I saw what I needed to see. It is amazing to me that the only news station reporting on a study about Liberal bias in the Universities is Fox News.

Very much like a few years ago, Fox News also reported on WMD being found in Iraq, when there was no other News Center that had even heard of it.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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I can definitely agree with universities being communist brainwashers!

I continue to be amazed with all the professors I meet that do not think outside the box. It's like they are all computers spitting out the information they were programmed with. I swear to God that I run into these programmed professors all the time and even many students like this at least several times a semester (I am a junior majoring in Theoretical Physics and Experimental Psychology). It drives me crazy- they just stick to their religious doctrines they are taught and that is all they know and all they care about! The saddest thing is that a lot of the stuff I try to discuss with them they should have already learned or at least should have a general awareness of. It just makes me sick how misguided they are, how really little they know, and how really little they care.

Plus, I am a truth seeker and I like to share this truth with others. It takes away a lot of time from my schedule to have to write lengthy emails or meet them in their office just to explain recent scientific literature, new studies, current issues and theories, etc. so they can understand what I am talking about or answer my questions - which I always am disappointed to learn that they can never do since the stuff I like to study is typically outside the realm of their little Bible and their religious interests. It seems that I am always the one teaching them!

I LOVE learning but I am seriously starting to wonder if I should just leave school so I have more time to continue teaching myself since I am not learning sh*t here!

BellaMente



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Not to defend Fox News by any means, however they are right. Almost every education institute I have been to has had a Liberal bias. I've met very few teachers that have been Conservative... I think I can count them on one hand actually.

Also it probably depends on where you live too, obviously in more liberal states you will get more liberal teachers.

The schools do not teach you very much in the understanding of Austrian economics (extreme fiscal conservative), or laize faire, heck I didn't even know how the banking or federal reserve system worked until I found out online.
It's not that the education system is liberal, it's just really distorted.

I didn't learn about Nikola Tesla, just Edison.

I didn't learn about any communist countries of Russia, Cuba, or China and some of the travesties committed by leaders like Stalin or Mau Se Tung.

Didn't learn about the progressive-eugenics craze until college.

Never really understood what our founding fathers really stood for and the early political parties.

A lot of truths about our history is hidden from us, especially post WWI & II. Most of what I know about the subject, was from watching documentaries or finding things online.

Education in America is very distorted one cannot argue that at all...



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by cushycrux
maybe the republicans need more voters?
-sorry


That will no doubt be taken care of in the next two elections.

Seriously, been a long time since I was in college, so can't directly speak to that. However, I can relate some middle school experiences my daughter had. My reasoning is that if it's going on in middle school, then it must be going on in high schools and universities as well.

Her story:

While in 8th grade, her art teacher wanted them to create a poster made out of stylized words. To demonstrate the concept for the class, he used the words "Bush" and "liar". then her English teacher decided that it should be part of her curriculum to explain the political spectrum to her students by saying that democrats were over on one side of the spectrum, along with the greens party. While the Republicans were located over on the other side of the spectrum - along with the skinheads and the nazis.

Of course we didn't take this lying down. The art teacher's contract was not renewed after that year and the English teacher had a reprimand placed in her personnel file.

Schools at any level should not be part of any political battleground. If politics must be taught, then teachers must be careful to make sure they do not introduce any bias in the lesson.

The reason for this is simple. Students often feel that they must accept whatever a teacher tells them in fear of getting a bad grade. A tyranny of the professors, if you will.



[edit on 2/16/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.

1. unmitigated support of Keynesian economics

2. "diversity" mandates in course curriculum

3. constant support of expansionist government policy


What you describe may pertain to the College of Liberal Arts (which encompasses the Social Science categories among other things) but does not pertain to the School of Business (as a personal example.) The general sweeping allegations don't work, you need to break down which "Schools" within the Univ. you are talking about or your message is moot.


ETA:

If we remove the government subsidies, education will flourish.

MORE people will be able to attend school since it would be much cheaper AND more people would get out of school with far less debt.

Think of the benefits to society if college grads were graduating with only 5 thousand in private loan debts as opposed to 20 or 30 thousand in government subsidized debt.

All that extra cash not wasted on education can now be used for more productive things.


Agree with this. It would be a starting place, no doubt.



[edit on 16-2-2010 by LadySkadi]


Very well put together. Nice to see someone thinking critically.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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It seems that after 4 years of college , They have , we hoped , gotten smarter.

Grads are able to think for themselves , and see things from all angles.

Teach the students the courses, grade them on their work studies, and let them think for themselves.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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I'm not sure if liberal bias is the enemy here. If you consider that most policies that have been passed recently are mostly conservative, BY A LIBERAL PRESIDENT, then liberalism doesn't seem to be much different from conservatism itself.

The point here is the attack on EDUCATION. Without it, we are no different from Nigeria or any other country that we perceive as backwards and with a weak state.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


It seems that after 4 years of college , They have , we hoped , gotten smarter.

Grads are able to think for themselves , and see things from all angles.

Teach the students the courses, grade them on their work studies, and let them think for themselves.


Thanks Sean, pleasure to see you. And I couldn't agree more.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Oh, i see.
If a liberal on a campus makes the determination that a position is
wrong well then free speech is null and void. Shout them down.

That is just wonderful!


Politics has no bearing on what is reality, you're terribly confused.

If I say the sky is blue and you say it's red, you can say it's red all day but that doesn't change the fact that it's blue.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
Do you have a degree from a major public university?

They can rightly be called communist brainwashing centers.



You know, I hear this kind of stuff all the time.

Funny thing is, I usually hear it from people who didn't go to college.

Are you sure you're just not disappointed with your choices in life, and taking it out on the education system?



I mean, the public school system in the United States is pretty much a joke, I'll definitely give you that. But to say that universities are "communist brainwashing centers" really only shows your ignorance of the subject.

For the record, most of my economics and mathematics teachers during college were more conservative if anything, and the various points you made were entirely inaccurate.



posted on Feb, 16 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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How do we determine whether there is a liberal bias per se??? Because, it seems to me that it could be quite subjective. What seems to be insulting to one person, may not at all be insulting to another. And politics are important because our world revolves around it. Political Science has been an active field for centuries, therefore, the solution that you propose seems to be uncertain.




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