Hunt for 'hit squad' with British passports accused of executing senior Hamas leader

From Dubia media:



You are mostly likely witness an international team of mercenaries-reports the killers used "advanced technology"

reply to post by infinite


That was my first thought after reading all of this.

My thought was this way to conspicuous for Mossad or most other western intelligence services.

Anyone with the money can and do find mercs ready, willingly and able to carry out an operation like this.

Blaming the Israeli's just seems way to easy.

I think we should be concentrating our efforts on overweight tennis players

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I just have little faith this was a Mossad hit, to obvious and all theatrics for the Camera's.. lots of British passports seem to be used in these types of events recently (are they that easy to come by lol) But using British Israeli passports is not something I would have thought Mossad would do.. This hit is perfect MSM consumption material.

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We have a Hamas officer in the process of doing a weapons acquisition deal possibly enroute to Iran. Not mentioned so far is that Dubai has also detained two Palestinians who contacted the hit team and at least one o whom may be an accomplice.

Fatah could conceivably be involved or this could be a co-ordinated effort of a number of intelligence or national entities. There are also independents who would do this for a fee.

There are also unknown variables like what this guy was actually up to, his affiliations, any number of things.

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That was interesting as well...looks like it could be an inside job or the hit squad were in collusion with Hamas affiliates???

I recognise that make up artists can do wonders but fundamentally; those people had to bear a strong resembelence to those passport photos when they went through Dubai Passport controll.

Dubai Passport control is a very professional set up with numerous security scans and officials eyeballing every visitor.
Every time I've been to Dubai there's been a consistently high level of passport scrutiny ( not like in the UK) and I suspect a false beard or wig would get spotted. ( for example my gf had a gold bangle on under her top and a woman offcial appeared from nowhere wanting to examine it further, I've also been randomly selected for searches with questioning etc).

History has shown that if the picture bears a remote likeness to you, about 80% of the people who have ever known you will immediately recognise you so unless these people didnt go to school/uni, dont go to bars, dont have friends; someone will recognise them.


Also if this is a private job..how much would you charge to kill a senior member of an international terrorist orgnaisation if your picture was going to be all over the internet afterwards???

There was at least of 9 of them so what..... $1 mill a piece ???

Dont know the going rate of international hits nowadays but that seems alot for this guy....any less and the team would be working for peanuts which suggests one of state sactioned, revenge, inside job or some hitherto undiscovered idological cause .



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You forget the risks posed torturing someone in the middle of a modern hotel.. (Unless this place is known for sado-masochistic activities)

Given the theatrics of the whole operation, there appears a level of desperation to fit torturing into the schedule, and the obvious risks that poses, which in turn creates the question as to the importance of the information he held.

Perhaps he was playing both sides against the middle, perhaps he sold out the supply route used by the Acrtic sea or the supply route through Sudan that led to that convoy being hit, or?? there is too many variables right now..

But Mossads involvement is the one I am putting to the side for now.

The Times is running an article that soca is now involved regarding the use of British passports.

The Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca) has been brought in to investigate the use of British passports in the assassination of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

Senior Whitehall sources said Soca, set up in 2004, had taken the lead in the investigation to discover how British documents had been involved in the operation believed to have been carried out by Mossad, the Israeli secret service.

linky

Wonder if they will find anything more than dead ends..

Another update to this story. Now they are adding another woman to the list of suspects and the Dubai authorities are saying the team may have been up to 17 people total. Quite a team for one guy.

Also - Brown from UK doesn't seem shy about placing the blame on Mossad.

Hunt is launched for SECOND woman assassin as Brown pledges probe into theft of British identities by 'Mossad' hit squad

# Ex-MI5 boss to head inquiry - reports
# Israeli foreign minister shrugs off possibility of diplomatic row with Britain
# 'There's no proof it was Mossad,' says Israel - as it hides behind 'policy of ambiguity'
# Dubai hunting six more suspects - including a second woman

Article above has some new photos as well as videos - including one of the 2nd woman.

A few things struck me from looking at the photos and reading this.

From the photo of Melvyn Mildiner vs the assassin Melvyn, whoever is behind evidently went to some length to ensure their team and the people's whose passports they used had a pretty decent resemblance.

I may be wrong about this - but it is based on the picture of th assassin posing as Gail Folliard smiling at the security camera like the cat that ate the canary. To be blunt I'm thinking an agent of Mossad, CIA or MI5 would be too professional for that. Its leading to more toward the thinking that Israel might take the fall for this - but that it was carried out by a mercenary team.

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17 is a pretty large team regardless of them being Mercs or not.. taking the time out to torture the victim is also strange given the apparent playing to the cameras that took place..

I'm not sure how effective soca will be, but if they can trace the passport process, that might give some valuable leads... be strange to find out they were obtained legitimatly (obviously using fake documents) since that has not yet been ruled out and usualy that is ruled out very quickly.

I would not be surprised that it will end up being Hamas that got rid of this guy. He might have been there to make an arms deal or he might have been a double agent or fliping on Hamas and Hamas found out and got rid of a problem. They are not above this type of reaction either. Mossad would not have been so sloppy in the first place. It looks more like part of the plan is to make it look like Israel but they are NOT in the habit of using Mercs. They would rather do it themselves!

Zindo

Originally posted by GAOTU789
Blaming the Israeli's just seems way to easy.

Yes, which might be the cover story.

I've heard, and researched, many secret organisations that still exist to this day-that specialise in assassinations. These assassins are more appropriate for protecting your own agents-who are free to carry out multiple operations.

Intelligent agencies, such as British and American, have hired mercenaries before. No one knows what the groups are called, if there is a central command, but we only know of ex Western spec ops soldiers are among the ranks.

I'm sure the victim suffered pain in the last few minutes of his life as would anyone who does not immediately lose consciousness. But I wonder how torture can be construed when the whole thing is said to have happened in 10 minutes.

It takes maybe 3-4 minutes to suffocate and some time to get the man in a position where he can't struggle effectively.

Classically torture is extended pain inflicted - not the suffering before death.

I expect there's plenty of guesswork in the police assumptions.






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news.bbc.co.uk...

Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has said there is no proof the Mossad spy agency carried out the killing of a Hamas commander in Dubai. But he did not fully deny that Israel carried out the killing, citing its "policy of ambiguity" on such matters. Dubai believes 11 "agents with European passports" killed Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Seven foreign-born Israelis named as suspects say their identities were stolen and they were not involved. UK passports used were said to be fake.

Hardly a surprise, countries don't tend to fess up to assassinations My money is on Israel/Mossad but it could be someone else, an arms dealer must have a few enemies...course no one cares anyway because he was an evil terrorist.

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Knock on door.."We are here to check the TV"

Door closes....taser bind torture kill 5 mins max

Kidon?

en.wikipedia.org...



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Just going on gut feeling, this is not classic Mossad style. Thinks have changed since cameras are everywhere recording.

Possible scenario I feel more consistent with Mossad who work on a level beyond local police thinking. They contact some independents to go as covers for a deeper operation. These people may work in the mercenary or drug trade security fields.

Fake passports are issued to them, they put on a show for Dubai constabulary checking in and out of hotels being seen at the scene, then splitting. Maybe even doing some reconnaisance in Dubai at the same time.

Real Mossad hitmen have rented rooms on the floor above the target, do the hit, casually check out a day later. Dubai cops are furiously looking for the false fronts not checking other possibilities.

This is more 21st Century thinking then the crude movie style one being presented.

Just been reading up on erika chambers and on wikipedia it mentions this

*In 1986, an Israeli embassy worker was picked up in West Germany by an unknown agency with a bag that contained fake British passports. The information was passed to the UK Government, and subsequently, Foreign Office Minister Timothy Renton meet with Israeli ambassador Yehuda Avner in October 1986 about "misuse by the Israeli authorities of forged British passports."

On March 16, 1987, the Sunday Times ran the story, stating that the fake documents were intended to help agents of the Israeli secret service attack foes abroad. In example, the newspaper stated that fake British passports were used by Israeli agents in both Operation Spring of Youth and by Erika Chambers. The article stated that Israel later apologized and promised not to do it again.[16]

Approaching Renton for comment, as is procedure he directed the newspaper to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, which refused to commen*

Mossad seems to like our passports a lot,and has done this again even when they promised not too!those sneaky buggers!

Israel have used British passports before and to be honest, I am flattered they used ours again to rid this world of a man that promotes mass murder of innocent people indirectly.

Gordon Brown was on the radio today talking about what an important document the British Passport is and how it is not to be implemented in such a way.

My answer to you Gordon is that you hand out our passports all the time to people who dream of blowing themselves up in the streets of Britain.

Hand them out to people that will rid us of these scum instead!