Have you considered the Republicans threw the '08 election to save the country?

reply to post by undo


Your "understanding" means your "interpretation", and for every "Black Israelite" trumpeting a cause there are probably ten or more white fundamentalist Christians who support Israel, believe in an Israeli/British connection and see no problem with OBAMA, someone you cited as a socialist and part of this masteful uprising of people of color that will slaughter whites, bowing before AIPAC and continuing the policy of providing monetary aide to Israel.

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yeah it's not pretty no matter how you slice it. the end of the world ain't a pretty thing. everyone's mad and afraid and pointing fingers and frankly, the whole thing is starting to look like a madhouse. when i'm trying to understand why some things happen, i usually research it, talk to people who believe it, read, watch info on it, and try to determine just exactly what direction its designers intend for it to go. considering how anti-christian/jew ATS has been lately, and considering how the younger generation is brought up on music that pounds that idea into their heads, night and day, it's not hard to connect the rest of the dots. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out

well ya know hearsay is not a good thing but i read an interesting story about an american jew who moved to israel, thinking he was going to help rebuild the infrastructure of the nation. he was ashkenazi jew and he fell in love with a sephardic jew when he moved there, which apparently wasn't a good thing because there's a pecking order there. the top of the heap are the socialist jews who came from russia. they are primarily atheists. under them are the ashenazi jews and under them are the sephardic jews and under them, the christians and muslims (not sure which is dead last. i think these 2 were equally in bad positions in israeli society). the bulk of the people in prison there are sephardic jews, christians and muslims, particularly christians and muslims.

the guy said it's really a socialist country but no one realizes it because it is presented as a religious artifact to the rest of the world.

anyway, they could be supporting israel and not necessarily be supporting religion of any kind.

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Many of you scare me on here.

Did Obama pass harmful legislation? Bailouts. Maybe a small bill here and there. Though some may have more to do with congress. More importantly, Obama went back on his word on numerous things. Including supporting the patriot act.

Al Gore wouldn't invade Iraq? Please. It doesn't matter what he says or what you think of him. Right now hes a sham pretending to be a global warming expert. He becomes worthless when you step back and realize that 1. Hes a politician. 2. Why do people even listen to his nonsense? He's no scientist.

You can't trust a politician on anything. They can say anything they want to get your attention. Then oil you up when your not looking and [censored] you for all your worth. When you turn back around to ask why things aren't better yet, they push the expectation to a later date.

Any way. Does it really matter what any president does or doesn't want to do?

Really. All he is just a puppet. The folks in security clearance above the presidency have him by the balls.

President wants war or not, it's gonna happen, and hes gonna have to fake a smile.

reply to post by undo


Fascism: corporations and governments merging.

In the case of America, corporations buying out the government, instead of the government taking over corporations. Same either way. It's fascism. Remember: Nazi = National SOCIALISM

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there's a big debate i read on this somewhere in the last year or so, regarding the definition of national socialism and fascism. i'll see if i can find it. if anything, doesn't it seem more like a puppet monarchy? like the corps are little nobility titles and somewhere at the end of the strings, is a royal?

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Ok so I feel obliged to respond to your claim that the United States is "pretty socialistic." I live in Canada which is far more socialist than the United States will ever be (notice the qualifier 'more' I'm not saying Canada IS socialist) and I find it strange that you're claiming that the US is socialistic by any stretch of the imagination.
Socialism means a lot of different things to different people which may perhaps be where I'm not following here but in my experience socialism refers to the ideal of attaining a classless, communal society by using the state to reform itself to the point where it becomes obsolete and then can be done away with all together. Any Political Science majors out there I apologize for such a watered down definition but it's to make a point. If we're following those criteria then I fail to see any steps being taken by the American government to meet such goals which would render them non-socialist.
If by socialism you mean (and I think you do), state control of industry and business' then the current US government is even LESS of a candidate for 'socialism.' In this case the implication is that the government owns business and industry but in the US it's the opposite, business and industry undoubtedly control the government.
If you define socialism in some other way then I would be more than happy to hear it as I recognize that I may have missed your intent. If I have then please elaborate so that I can understand the point you are driving at in a more complete fashion.

In Sincerity

I think the Republicans threw it because they were under instructions to do so. We all know who TPTB wanted in...