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posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:25 AM
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Warspeed, you have to be a bit naive to claim that you know why the administration went after Iraq or any other country, can you read minds? At best your opinion is based on speculation and not on facts.

always try to get what we want when we do something, at times we really don't get much but more US bashing, even if it was for something good.

Perhaps you are claiming this because you don't see Australia doing much good in any news media. Perhaps other countries, the UN included, should be helping more instead of wasting all their energy in bashing the US government, more so since many countries in the UN have done worse things, genocide of thier own people included, than the US and really don't give a danm about their own people.


[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Muaddib]




posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 08:15 PM
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instead of critisizing america why cant other countries do more instead of relying on us to fix it all


The reason no one else is helping out is because most of the problems in the world are a result of the U.S. trying to influence governments from every country. It's not the rest of the worlds problem to fix. I'm not criticizing the people of America, I've been everywhere in the States and like the people, I just don't like your government or the politics it supports. I never have. The U.S. is the bully of the world, it is do want we want or else. Bush even said it himself "you're either with us, or against us". Says it right there.

As a taxpaying citizen in Canada, I would never support military action in IRaq under U.S. control. I will support Canadian soldiers going in as peace keepers when sovereignty is passed(If that happens).



posted on Jun, 5 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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First off, corrections.

1. You do not need to be European to enter the EU. Just ask Turkey. Others will follow.
2. Americans are isolated not because of govornment, but by geography. This is a large country seperated by vast oceans. Its pretty damn hard. Its also VERY expensive for Americans to cross the ocean. Only wealthy, well to do, or overseas worker and military can afford to do it. That has nothing to do with govornment. The exchange rates are also hard. We dont have socialist govornments who baby us, nor do we get much vacation time. And because Americans live so far apart from one another, we spend our precious vacation time visiting our relatives across the country.
3. We were asked to become the worlds police after world war 2. Europe pushed the role on us, since they were simply too devastated to do anything. Someone had to do it. We were the last man standing. No one wanted the Russians policing anything.

Anyway, as far as a one world govornment, you can bet on it, its only a matter of time, unfortunately. A truly evil thing when it happens. Federalism always leads to tyranny of the federation. We see this with states rights in the us getting crushed by the central govornment. We see it in Europe with the EU wiping off borders and sticking thier noses into internal national affairs. The same will happen with a one world gov.



posted on Oct, 24 2004 @ 01:30 AM
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To answer the original question: America will never join the EU.

To answer the general tone of the board:

This is getting some rabid responses because come down to it most of us are Americans. I don't care who you are or what your opinion of the government is. If you live here you love America. You might separate the government from the people. You might rationalize that America is truly helping people. Even I, militant anti-establishment that I am, must admit some pride when Americans win the Olympics. I love America.

This strange occurence is due to knowing the pledge of alligence before I could spell my name. Singing proudly in 3rd grade "My land is your land"
America is united. I go to a foreign country and all I have to do is listen for the loudest group of people to find Americans.

Will I kill for America? Yes. But at the same time I believe if that at any point the government ceases to provide for its people the people have the right to rebel. I believe that time has come.



posted on Oct, 24 2004 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
as world liberators of oppression, then let's see some action in other countries where torture and oppression occur.


instead of critisizing america why cant other countries do more instead of relying on us to fix it all? even though we have forces in over100 countries doing exactly that, even in secret operations with allies against countries like zimbabwe and others, also why we create proxy forces that we train to do the dirty work, most of these things in secret so people dont hassle the military about that too because people would.

I agree completely. It's about time that some countries start to stop being so lazy and actually train their own troops for a change. It's bad enough that we have to be the world police. The only real reason why we train the allies is so that a threat doesn't come up every two decades which could do damage to our homeland. The other thing is that the other countries totally disregard all the good things we do for the world, I'd like to see how they'd do on their own for a change.



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 05:17 PM
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I agree with spacedoubt. We are always there to help, then like always we get talked about badly for it. There other countries never see the good, only the bad...
Wake up foreign peoples...the USA has in the past and, even with all your pathetic ways, will be again be there in YOUR time of need.
Why can't you just be thankfull ???
With all that we do, we are only human and do make mistakes. Take the good with the bad as if you were married to us...lol



posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 07:34 PM
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we have all seen the massive advantage of combined nation currencies(euro). america neighbors are socialists to the north and corrupt money luanders to the south but the U.S could compine currencies wit the EU why not, it is stronger. The only thing that is keeping europe from booming out of control is high taxes and socialism.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:41 AM
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Well this being my very first post on this site all i can say is im 50 / 50 but more republican tho then democrat.
Im american, i support bush, he was better the kerry, but i must admit, some of the points that kerry talked about were better then bushes but he overal was better. I think iraq was kinda a mess up tho b/c of the misleading, i just hope it all ends peacefully.

I dont agree with the 2 state road map for the middile east, the palistinians need to go back to syria and egypt.

But bush has sorta not taken the bills seriously and that i agree with dems with, bush needs to work more on relationships over all and needs to quit bringing up Iraq and such into it. I think the United States should have drawn up a paper stating we would join kyoto treaty and human rights treaties my country needs to work on.

the bashing goes both ways across the atlantic ( slightly more in europe ).

I have nothing against some socialist programs but not to the extint of the government feeding non workers like in europe.

,well just thot il say hi and say my put about it.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Freedom Fighter
Well mr steve, if we did not get involved in Kosovo, genocide would have killed many of those people. So you think we were wrong for getting involved? Same for Iraq, and if we did not do it who would?


I think the 100,000 dead iraqi civilians arent too happy that you guys 'helped' them. You guys only 'help' when there is money to be made, pipelines to be made and oil to be stolen.



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by adcadcadc

Now that Europe has finally started to come together and as the world economy has already merged for all practical purposes..

Will the US join with Canada/ the EU?

How long before the next round of consolidations begin?

I could see a single asian country/union, an Arabic country/union, an American block/union.. possiblity as part of a larger union with the EU..

Will these mergers happen no matter what or will it take a major worldwide shock or depression?



Right on, Adcad. We've been hashing this over on several other threads, let me quote you where we're at on this:


Originally posted by Chakotay

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
I SAY HELL YES TO AN AMERICAN UNION! I mean the idea of this is just INCREDIBLE! HELL, I bet we could even get a country like Japan to join, but lets not go there, lol. Now, im not saying lets dive head first in, no no no... just like the EU does it, you impose a set of laws, and if you reach those laws you will be admitted in under vote... And slowly we see the forming of an Unstoppable Power that makes the entire world take note. And since i really dont think Japan is happy with the rest of Asia, and especially China, and is one of our biggest competitors and partners, they may wanna say YES to the AU! Of course in the end the EU the AU and Probably the other AU's would eventually form a PU, Planetary Union.


Right on Ryan. Note to History: Ryan has coined the term PU, Planetary Union. PU on the UN. The threats we all face- impact from space, limits to growth, nuclear and biological war- require a sustained global response for the foreseeable future. By following the example of the EU we can protect and extend human rights, establish a more just and effective law, and maintain the cultural integrity of member States while acheiving a lasting peace and growing economy. History has never been kind to empires that dig in behind walls. We must extend the benefits of freedom to all mankind, not to a selfish few. Count me in, Ryan.

TEAR DOWN THE WALL.


I think the major worldwide shock that will get us all together is here.

If we don't form an American Union, sounds like Putin will do it for us.



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