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reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 04:57 AM by RWM88
Originally posted by rnaa
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Now I have something to ask you, was that whaling vessel engaged in fishing at the time of the accident?


Of course not. It wasn't a whaling vessel, nor a fishing vessel of any kind.

It is a 'security vessel'.

Your video shows exactly the same thing as the collage DEEZNUTZ posted (except without the 'full power' tag). What do you think it proves that DEEZNUTZ does not?

Look at his video again and look at the prelude to the collision, the Ady Gil is definitely not under 'full power' when the 'security vessel' turns toward it in an aggressive manner, against every rule in the book. The crew is lounging about relaxing and joking.

The Ady Gil powers up to attempt to get out of the way when the Shonan Maru II intent becomes clear. The film from the Japanese ship shows this very clearly. The video you posted conveniently starts up after the Ady Gil has hit panic stations when they realized the intention of the Japanese skipper was to ram.


No, the Shonan Maru No. 2 is just a fishing vessel with her hoses rigged for anti piracy measures. Any vessel can implement such measures. There are no such things as security vessels, only power driven vessels, fishing's vessels & sailing vessels.

I asked DEEZNUTZ this question because if the Shonan Maru No. 2 was engaged in fishing at the time, because then the whole situation would change regarding what rules were broke.

The video I provided proves that the Ady G was breaking rule 17 and rule 6 of the COLREG's, but again another important part of the law that you overlooked. She could have easily turned hard to starboard and away from the Shonan Maru No. 2 if her crew we're concerned about the safety of themselves with in good timing. (Not the timing of the video as it is cut short, what you won't see is the 10 minutes or so the vessels were in sight of one another prior to the collision).

Did you actually read my previous posts? I put them up with explanations because I know that not all ATS members work at sea.

rnaa you have a horrible habit of trying to belittle people on subjects and matters that you have no understanding of.

Here is a link of COLREGS, if you can find 'security vessel' let me know, otherwise I'll just stick with 'power driven vessels' and possibly 'vessel engaged in fishing' for this situation.

Hint: Scroll down to Rule 3 and check out definitions and search for your 'security vessel'

www.boatingsafety.com...

By now and thanks for your time

P.S. I asked DEEZNUTZ because I could not see any day signals indicating that she is engaged in fishing or trawling, but you'd know all about that so I shouldn't have to explain

Your Signature: Deny Ignorance - Educate Yourself = FAIL



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reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 05:59 AM by RWM88
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Thanks for the response zeropistons

Yeah I couldn't see any either, then on top of that I was thinking what signals a whaling vessel would display when on the hunt because when they harpoon the animal, they must be restricted in their ability to manoeuvre.

I agree with what you say but some members will not watch the film from both vessels because their minds are already made up

Yeah the problem is where the Ady Gil is registered because different flag states have different laws and requirements. So in the US no license would be required? Wow! I guess that's why there were so many large speedboats and yachts every where in the TTS when we were coming down Catalina towards San Pedro

Whoever owns it and wherever it is flagged, it's going to be a pain for the individual and state.

Thank's for your time and wish's,
it's appreciated.
Take care, Ron


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reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 04:26 PM by rnaa
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(I spent a nice part of yesterday looking for evidence of where the Sea Shepherds crew trained for their tickets. I have found none which means the crew are just people that fancy themselves Captains, Chief Mates, 2nd Mates and so forth. Below I can't see any mention of maritime training for the ranks they hold).


What crew did you research? Sea Shepard is not a ship, it is the organization. The boat that was sunk was the "Ady Gil" which was formerly known as "Earthrace". I expect (but don't know for sure) that the "Ady Gil" was registered in New Zealand, where it was built and where Captain Bethune is from.

The "Ady Gil" was not a commercial ship, but a private yacht.

The other Sea Shepard vessel in the area is the "MV Steve Irwin" which is registered in the Netherlands, I believe, and should certainly have a professional Bridge, Deck, and Engine crews. 'Non-professionals', that is 'the Volunteers', are encouraged to obtain a an 'Able Seaman' ticket and would fill only the lower Deck, Engine, and Stewards positions (exactly like any other Research vessel, I gather).

Does that help your search any?

Edit: Oh, yeah. Of course all Sea Shepard vessels operate under the 'Skull and Crossbones' when on 'active' duty. I'm not aware how that affects the legal jurisdiction of their actions. If the Steve I is registered in the Netherlands, doesn't it have to be tried in the Netherlands, except since they are flying the 'Jolly Roger' they are disowning their flag rights? I dunno.

Edit2: Oh, yeah, again. The other Sea Shepard vessel is the MV Bob Barker and is registered in the Cook Islands. Its crew qualifications should be the same as the MV Steve Irwin.

Edit3: But now I've found this, so I guess I'm wrong:


Source

Question: There has been criticism that your crew appear to be amateurs, that they are not professional seamen. How do you respond to that?

Captain Paul Watson: I respond by saying that I agree with this assessment. I need people of passion on our campaigns. I need dedicated volunteers willing to risk their lives to protect the whales. The average soldier in the trenches in World War I or in the field in the Second World War were not professional soldiers - they were volunteers or they were drafted, they were amateurs.

Question: Your critics say that this is unsafe and that you are putting lives at risk and that this is an irresponsible thing to do.

Captain Paul Watson: I have been taking volunteer crews to sea since 1975 and in over 300 voyages; I have never lost a crewmember, not even one single serious injury. I think that is a record that speaks for itself. What is interesting is that our opposition are not so safety conscious. This year the Japanese whaling fleet had three serious injuries and one fatality. Two years ago they had two fatalities. They have had two devastating fires on the Nisshin Maru in the last decade. Perhaps our critics should be more concerned for the safety record of the whalers and not us.



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reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 04:31 PM by rnaa
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Is it possible he did this just so that if they prosecute him, the videos will end up as evidence in his trial?


I definitely think he did it to ensure maximum exposure in Japan. He wants to either be taken back to Japan to stand trial (where he would hope to extract maximum damaging publicity when the Whalers lose), or would like them to try to land him in New Zealand, where the ship could be arrested.

Either way is a losing situation for the Japanese.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 05:07 PM by rnaa
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No, the Shonan Maru No. 2 is just a fishing vessel with her hoses rigged for anti piracy measures. Any vessel can implement such measures. There are no such things as security vessels, only power driven vessels, fishing's vessels & sailing vessels.


That is not correct.

The Shonan Maru No. 2 is specifically designated as a Security Vessel accompanying the whaling fleet proper. It is not tasked with any whaling activities. Its sole purpose is to keep Sea Shepard vessels away from the whaling ships.

There are accusations that it is supplied and crewed by the Yakuza crime syndicates in Japan, but that could be 'scuttlebutt'.


reply posted on 18-2-2010 @ 11:11 PM by DEEZNUTZ
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It didn't have any fishing lights as it doesn't do any fishing or whaling. It's a designated Security boat to protect the Whaling fleet. It's probably manned by military personnel as the whaling is done under Japan Gov't sanction.

THe Adi G by no means crosses the Security vessels path. In the Video I provided above with the 3 different Camera angles cleary shows the Japanese ship alter to STBD and the Adi G is well clear of the vessels path. The Japanese are to blame about this incident in particular. I don't care about the other stuff in the collision between the Adi G and the Japanese Security vessel it's cleary the Japanese's fault and the Bridge Crew should have their tickets revoked for life as they cleary prove incompetent at the job. That's the least of their worries. THey're actions could be viewed as attempted murder as their intent was clear and that was to sink the Adi G or they wouldn't have made such a drastic alteration to STBD when they were clear had they stuck to their original heading.

They had clear motive and opportunity which the video I posted cleary shows. As for him wanting to go to trial for this in Japan is a brilliant move I think. This will be front page news in Japan exposing to the masses the damage their governments actions are causing to our oceans, not just whaling. This will bring to light the dangerous actions carried out by crewmembers operating under Japanese control. This is brilliant and has the potential to turn this into a diplomatic situation as this trial will get world wide coverage and the rest of the world hates Japans practices.

It won't matter if the Japanese bring up past encounters with the Sea Sheppard boats because in this particular incident it's clearly reckless seamanship that causes this. Never an excuse.

I was told in school that our prime job as Navigators is "To Keep The Bottom Wet"


reply posted on 29-7-2010 @ 05:41 AM by jfj123
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I completely support the Sea Shepherd Society.
I give on a regular basis.

They doing a great job. Just wish they had more money and support to do more.
The Australian government needs to get off it's butt and start enforcing things in their patrol waters.



reply posted on 29-7-2010 @ 06:05 AM by Maybe...maybe not
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Jfj123.....

I agree.....they're a great bunch.

Do you recall what happened to the captain?

Is he still being held in Japan? I should Google it.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not
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