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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
I'm always surprised when people don't see the connection - art comes from an idea
ideas are art
Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
James Joyce used to ponder this one:
If a man hacking away at a block of wood to make firewood for the winter, not paying attention to what he's doing, whistling, not thinking, by pure chance carves an elephant out of the block. Is that art?
Originally posted by Sigismundus
reply to post by GringoViejo
and other 'natural' proportions e.g. in music (1:1 = unison ; 1:2 octave ; 3:2 = 'perfect' Fifth; 4:34 = 'perfect' 4th) etc. which veer further and further off from the perfection of UNITY (1:1) - which series according to 'Pythagoras' produced a natural series of 'overtones' in a sort of Musica Mundana, echoed in Alberti's Treatise e.g. 'we shall our Rules for the Finishing our Proportions, from Composers, who are the greatest Masters of these Numbering Systems, and from those Things wherein Nature shows herself most excellent & Compleat." Leon Battista Alberti (1407-1472) - and all sorts of 'rules' to approaching perfect intervals in music were invented ('you may not approach a perfect consonance by Direct Motion...') and approaching 'dissonances' also had their own rules according to Fux and others - 'every Dissonance in Music must be first PREPARED, before being EXECUTED then strictly RESOLVED according to the Rules layed out...' - such 'rules which govern taste' influenced the music e.g. of persons such as Handel and Vivaldi, and Bach and W.A. Mozart and Josef Haydn and Christoph Ritter von Gluck and Franz Schubert and Ludwig Beethoven etal.
Some would argue that e.g. rap 'music' does not follow the strict rules of composition laid out by persons such as Johann Josef Fux of Vienna (who used the strictish polyphony of Palestrina as his role-model) and is therefore not 'art' ---but I suppose there are those who might disagree...!!
Originally posted by pazcat
reply to post by GringoViejo
Cage was the sole reason I bumped this thread. He might of had high points but the video I showed on the previous page was not one, despite what most will try and tell you.
Originally posted by whaaa
Don't blame the artist. A true artist makes what he wants and stays true to his sense of aesthetics.
Blame the agents, and the scum that hype and market Art.
As I write this, I am working in my co-op gallery hoping to sell wonderful, beautiful and affordable works of art and craft. People have free will and have diverse opinions as to what is beautiful, valuable and desirable.
I don't pretend to know what drives the high end art market but I can tell you that it's not the artist. And no one is twisting the arms of the collectors to buy anything; they make their own decisions as to whats valuable or not.
What do you have against the free market system? If anything.
[edit on 14-2-2010 by whaaa]
Once, he told me if he’d grown up differently, he might have become a mathematician. He spoke reverently about colleges and loved walking around the Stanford campus. In the last year of his life, he studied a book of paintings by Mark Rothko, an artist he hadn’t known about before, thinking of what could inspire people on the walls of a future Apple campus.