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Originally posted by argentus
That's exactly the point. There IS NO such law within the United States (not allowing a person to criticize the government.) In fact, the founders of the Constitution practically encouraged it.
Originally posted by argentus
It's not just disturbing images. They are illegal images and for good reason.
Originally posted by argentus
I can look at a mere "disturbing" image and not like it, but recognize that it is legal to portray. Do you really want pedophelia images to be available to those who crave them? No, of course you don't. Neither do I.
Originally posted by argentus
If they are found in a person's posession, should we require the person to go into counseling? Possibly. I don't believe the whole thing should be just swept under the carpet. The owner of those images probably has a serious problem. They possibly even know it is wrong, legally, morally and socialogically.
What a sad society we have become. It used to be common place for parents to share pictures of their new born baby. Now these same parents could be imprisoned for child porn and we have people that would support such imprisonment.
Originally posted by argentus
I wholly acknowlege that I have serious issues with pedophiles. I think they are the bottom tier of humanity. I wouldn't necessarily classify a 23-year-old adult having sex with a willing 16-year-old as pedophilia. It's statuatory rape, and I don't necessarily agree with that term either. An adult who craves sexual relations with a child is the lowest of human creatures, in my opinion, and I tend to have strong opinions about them. These are also issues that have ruined the lives (at least temporarily) of children of people close to me, so it's in the forefront of my mind.
Thus, I apologize if I've spoken too forcefully. It's an issue that matters to me, and one that makes my skin crawl. I feel very protective of children and their rights, as I'm sure you do as well.
Movies are fiction, right?
Images that are clearly engaging pedophiles do not fall into the same category
I wholly acknowlege that I have serious issues with pedophiles. I think they are the bottom tier of humanity.
I dont even think I was adressing the entire forum or yourself with what you referred to in your diotribe. I believe I have aproached this and everyone here with dignity and respect. Please correct me if wrong and show where I have done otherwise.
And all of the attention this is getting is bound to draw out some REAL sympathizers who will bear further scrutiny. So if you are on here and you seriously believe that this child porn should be a legitimate industry and that it has no victims....The Eyes of The Eagle Are Upon You.
Later tater
Originally posted by psyko45
Please show me clinical studies where child pornography keeps predators at bay. Every expert Ive spoken to reguarding this issue states the polar opposite. That pornography of any kind simply feeds and embellishes the fantasy and causes one to wish to fufill it. So this ridiculous argument that states this type of child porn keeps the predator at home is simply innacurate as well as insulting to an educated mind. I really hope you all are just playing "devils advocate " here.
Other researchers have found similarly. In Denmark homosexual child molestation decreased more than 50 percent from 74 cases in 1966 to 20 cases in 1969 (Ben-Veniste, 1971; pp. 254). These decreases in sex crimes involving children are particularly noteworthy since in Japan, as in Denmark, for the time under review, there were no laws against the personal non-commercial possession or use of depictions of children involved in sexual activities; so-called "childporn" (Kutchinsky, 1985a; pp. 5). Considering the seriousness in how sex crimes against children are viewed in both cultures, this drop in cases reported represents a real reduction in the number of offenses committed rather than a reduced readiness to report such offenses.
In sum, the concern that countries allowing pornography would show increased sex crime rates due to modeling or that adolescents in particular would be negatively vulnerable to and receptive to such models or the society would be otherwise adversely effected has not been vindicated. It is certainly clear from our data and analysis that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims. We have mentioned some possible influential factors.
Originally posted by psyko45
So this ridiculous argument that states this type of child porn keeps the predator at home is simply innacurate as well as insulting to an educated mind.
I think it was right to jail the person posessing these images. I would hope that there was subsequent counseling, and yes, I am aware of the self-loathing professed by some pedophiles.