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Retired Air Force Colonel Robert B. Willingham saw UFO Crash

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posted on Feb, 14 2010 @ 08:58 AM
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An enormous ammount of assumptions goes into any speculation on the motives of ufo occupants. Our entire life experience is drawn upon.

For instance, perhaps the "souls" of the dead aliens could easily be transferred from one container to another.

Just prior to impact, the aliens transfer bodies. We humans were meant to find the non-threatening, lifeless bodies?

Perhaps the ufo occupants could travel back and forth in time and knew that particular pilot would give chase and by crashing just over the border, Mexicans would also be witnesses?

Perhaps they wanted us to believe that we have some kind of weapon that could be used against them to give us a false hope of defense.

We are being carefully conditioned in numerous ways. Pop culture references have become so common that virtually every children's program has at least one episode with an alien.

The internet and cell phones may be preparing human kind for instant telepathic communication and access to unlimited knowledge.

Assuming their technology is simply light years ahead of ours without a philisophical argument may be missing the point completely.iMHO of course.

Are you ready for the infinite?




posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 01:30 AM
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then your phone wouldn't work, i'd imagine the same method that would cause the loss of tracking ability and billing ability would be the same thing that would cause your phone to be out of range of service.

I mean, either way if the phone can't be tracked you can't make a call...
So big deal. Not being able to track mobile phone on a plane won't really matter if you can't make a call on it. hence billing would not matter...



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 01:34 AM
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ahh this guy is so old and has been through so much, i'd imagine he's probably confusing a bunch of things into one amazing story...

Who knows what state of mind he's in and how many flashbacks have led him to believe that what was really a crashed partner or botched training mission turned into some trippy Alien chase episode...

Check his DVD shelf for Independence Day...



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

Originally posted by iforget
Lets say I see a ufo crash. I go back to base to get an airplane I can investigate with. You know what else I grab? A camera.
You might think that to be true today, but back then cameras were not as plentiful as today, and a little more complicated to operate.


Yeah, more complicated than a Fighter Plane?
I hear they had a lot of gauges and dials even back then...





posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ha`la`tha

Originally posted by cripmeister
Nice post


These old flying saucers didn't seem very reliable or sturdy though. If they came from another world they must have been highly advanced, yet they often crashed and smashed into little pieces. Doesn't that seem odd?



Oh I dunno, we've been driving cars for a long time, we still crash, have breakdowns, etc... Planes still fall from the sky without haarp etc, boats sink... you'd think we'd be the absolute masters of our technology, but hey, not everyone can build a porche just because they can drive one!

And who's to say that if things like this were true - the above article - that our Neanderthal like technology doesn't somehow bung up their navigation.


I agree, u put an Alien in front of a firing squad and barring any type of force fields, it's going down...



How do we know this old coot didn't out fly the Alien... Maybe it was it's first dog fight...



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by guohua
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Sorry, But I don't remember having a cell phone even with a camera built in it back in 1955.


Did you have one?


Is this the same ufo that the U S was supposed to of taken by force from the Mexican soldiers?


[edit on 13-2-2010 by guohua]

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We aren't talking about the 1830's when you had to have gun powder on top of a pole and you had to have a tripod with a black curtain over your back...
They had small portable cameras back then... Come on.


[edit on 2/15/2010 by Brainiac]



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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For instance, perhaps the "souls" of the dead aliens could easily be transferred from one container to another. Just prior to impact, the aliens transfer bodies. We humans were meant to find the non-threatening, lifeless bodies? Perhaps the ufo occupants could travel back and forth in time and knew that particular pilot would give chase and by crashing just over the border, Mexicans would also be witnesses?


Some interesting thoughts there. I like a bit of sci-fi speculation. What ifs are good.

What if a small population of ET are parked up in one of the Lagrangian Points? Very low in number...and looking at Earth as a prime retirement real estate. Despite their technology, they know that overt invasion and attack would pose a risk of defeat. They sit back and study, play the waiting game.

They come up with a long-term strategy. Social engineering, bloodless conquest. A couple of redundant craft are crashed on the doorsteps of Troy...whoops...USA. Just enough basic tech to give Earth a boost. Dormant technologies like transistors, chips and fiber optic inventions are suddenly given purpose. Media becomes global, Internet connects nearly everyone.

Our watching critters can now generate more data than Google. They can access any information they choose...military, public...secrets. Ideas are disseminated across media that 'ET is Our Friend.' Malmstrom nuclear warheads are switched off in a show of UFO power.

Too late, the authorities realise what's at stake here and how little control they have. They cover-up all crashes and create the 'curtain of laughter' to prevent people talking about encounters. Agents are paid to put out counter intelligence. Meanwhile the crashed UFO tech is developed at a great rate in secret...black budget. Triangle craft in our skies as a secret corps are trained to use them.

All the while, nobody knows what back-doors are built in to the tech. As the Senior Naval Science Instructor admires the fruits of their labours, he recalls the night before the Gulf War when Iraq's missile defence system was switched off...by us.

Gulp!



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 03:34 AM
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G'day Kandinsky

What an inspired post


Perhaps that's it!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Feb, 15 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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There are accounts of UFOs crashing in Russia as well. In fact one Russian fighter pilot claims to have shot one down with an air to air missile.

I do feel that the possibility of the Radar interfering with the UFO's propulsion/navigation system are in deed a possibility.

From what I understand of the way in which these craft fly is by creating an electromagnetic field around the craft that interacts with the Earths magnetic field allowing it to push/pull itself around the atmosphere, similar to the way in which magnets repel/attact one another.

Also Not too unlike in principal a balloon we played with as kids, filled with air that once it has enough static charge will cling to a wall or ceiling for example against gravity, until inevitably, the charge weakens.

I am sure that when they designed the craft, on their world , within their scope of design parameters, there is a good possibility that they didn't exactly design this craft to fly thru man made radar signals. But to only interact with the natural electromagnetism.

It is plausible that The Radar signal being electromagnetic in nature as well as being a fairly strong pulse could disrupt their bubble or cushion of charge surrounding the craft, perhaps even damaging the field generation equipment itself.
Which is for example why active radar jammers are illegal, for with enough power , one can destroy a police officers radar gun rendering it useless.

So after taking the hit, they lose power and are forced to glide, to a crash landing similar to when a terrestrial aircraft loses power.
Recall the recent Hudson river incident?

I am surprised that no one mentioned it here that on military bases, especially those dealing with the highest levels of security such as Nukes, cameras generally are frowned upon for they are the favorite tool of espionage agents.

Great post though, and as someone here mentioned. We are seeing more and more of these accounts of deathbed confessions from former military pilots.
And yes, they are very real.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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This is a little bit different, and longer video interview. Even Gordon Cooper claims to have chased UFOS for 45 minutes in an F86 so this mans story is very credible.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by rusethorcain]



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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It's not like that.

We fear cellphones and other electronical devices on airplanes because they use the same kind of radio technology, and one can interfere with the other.

Which is completely different from claiming that a spaceship (don't forget the space part) that is able to travel millions if not billions of miles without getting lost, is getting all weird and shot down because of a primitive type of technology, that provably they already have seen in their own past.

They go through all sorts of hazard environments, they have to control all sorts of interferences and cosmic events, and yet, some people believe that a radio wave is capable of bringing down a spaceship built by aliens.

If that is the case, these are some seriously stupid aliens. Designing a spaceship that doesn't have breaks, or flying kamikaze style, is not very copacetic with traveling light-years distances.


Either way, this case strengths the possibility that the UFO's sighted in those days (and may very well be the case with Roswell) were nothing but advanced military aircraft's, that we still know nothing about.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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One point totally ignored so far... You couldn't knock a World War Biplane out of the air with a simple magnetic pulse, but you could do, exactly that, to any number of billion dollar contemporary planes , as they are inherently , aerodynamically unstable, without their computer systems controlling the flight.

Anyone military analyst will tell you the following. Had there been any sort of serious Nuclear exchange, the day after the Russians would have had the upper hand as, post 1985, they still had planes like the Sukoi, which could fly, with virtually no electronic help.

Modern planes, do have some shielding and counter measures against EMP attack, but they are by no means *secure*..

As for the distance argument. It defeats itself by its' own logic. You send a probe from a planet 10 light years from Earth in 1920. I t arrives here in 1030. Sends back its info, which arrives back in 1940. lifeforms fairly primitive, not radar technology. By the time you sort out another mission , say 2-3 years and send it it's the 1950s when it arrives and we have moved on, technologically, a long way.

People also make some vast assumptions about alien tech based wholly on an anthropomorphic view of the universe.

Take an alien civilisation, culturally and socially, more akin to a *beehive mentality*. If the whole ethos of the intelligence is geared towards the service of an elite and only a small part of the society has developed, mentally, in terms of *out of the box thinking*. You could easily have as society with no wars, no need for TV, Radio, in the same way we do. What if their scientists realise their sun could go supernova in a reality short time? Or, they are threatened by something like a Gamma ray burst from another star. They might by pass whole levels of technology in order to find the key to traversing the stars, simply in order to survive.

The steam we engine was nothing more than an executive desk top toy to the Romans and Greeks, because, no-one saw the potential. How do we know we haven't missed some, once it's spotted, blindingly obvious potential for traversing great distances?

How many probes , sent to Mars, went tits up, during the 1970s/80s/90s? All those millions of miles and probe after probe broke down, crashed, or plain didn't work.

You could run a race between a Model T Ford and brand new car from NY to CA. The model t could win it by default, if the new car, erroneously, decides you aren't wearing a seat belt and refuses to start the ignition.



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Here's a link to the site from the book "The Other Roswell" that has audio interviews with Col. WillingHam: External Link This story is also covered in Jim Harrold's "Paranormal Podcast." Here's the link to the podcast on this topic: "The Mexican Roswells, Podcast 64."

[edit on 8/12/2010 by PennKen2009]



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Here's another video with more info on the case and another interview with Colonel Willingham -see 2:20:





posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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Its been a couple of years, but here ya go www.youtube.com...





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