Retired Air Force Colonel Robert B. Willingham saw UFO Crash

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The question really is: Is this guy lying or not? There is no middle ground on this one. Either you think he's lying or you think he's telling the truth. Obviously you think he's lying. The next question is of his mental state and what he would have to gain by lying about this? Fame, Money--and at what risk to his reputation.

Originally posted by cripmeister
Nice post

These old flying saucers didn't seem very reliable or sturdy though. If they came from another world they must have been highly advanced, yet they often crashed and smashed into little pieces. Doesn't that seem odd?

Oh I dunno, we've been driving cars for a long time, we still crash, have breakdowns, etc... Planes still fall from the sky without haarp etc, boats sink... you'd think we'd be the absolute masters of our technology, but hey, not everyone can build a porche just because they can drive one!

And who's to say that if things like this were true - the above article - that our Neanderthal like technology doesn't somehow bung up their navigation.

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by gortex
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There is a theory that changes made to radar technology around the fifties interfered with the guidance and control systems of UFOs , causing some of the crashes , others may have been shot down .

Yeah I've heard those explanations before of course. Like so many other explanations in UFOlogy they're convenient but they don't really make sense. Kind of like taking down a modern jet fighter with a sling shot.

There is also the idea that whales beach themselves because of the high radar pollution in the oceans, causing them swim blind.

It only doesn't make sense because no one knows how a supposed UFO navigates and we apply human technology to the concept.

Originally posted by iforget
Lets say I see a ufo crash. I go back to base to get an airplane I can investigate with. You know what else I grab? A camera.

Ahh because you're the general and can do what you like!




Captain Galactic returns to base, and Cadet Bullhorn greets him.

"Cadet, have you got my plane ready?"

"Yessir, we've got the bestest plane ready for you sir, now go look for that gosh darned little green mans craft. We'll be waiting here for your return. Oh and sir, here is your handy-cam, just as you requested, we've put a brand new beta-max tape in it for you sir. God speed, and return safe!!"

Captain Galactic speeds off into the wide blue yonder, intent on capturing on fillum for the very first time, one of those mysterious aliens from the planet Venus. Can he complete such a challenging mission. Will fate be kind to our hero? What unearthly situation awaits our gallant hero on that mountain side...

Stay tuned for next weeks episode - "Alien Brain eating Monsters from Marrrss.."

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Interesting point. Perhaps if Radio Frequencies do indeed interfere with
their guidance systems, then maybe whatever advanced civilizations these craft come from indeed do not use Radio Frequencies the same way we do....if so....they would have factored in RF Shielding to keep that interference from happening.
Perhaps they do use RF but not to the intensity we do...I guess if these things are real their technology would require some sort of RF Component even to drive the most basic computer unless they use a form of technology beyond our understanding of the electron...perhaps...quantum mechanics theory has given them the tools to create technology that allows them to break the rules of physics that we understand today...

That could also explain why we have not intercepted RF Signals. It is old stuff for them...the same reason we don't use the telegraph anymore...better stuff is out there that is faster and better.

Does he have any evidence besides his own testimony? I wish people would start using the cameras on their cell phones.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

Originally posted by iforget
Lets say I see a ufo crash. I go back to base to get an airplane I can investigate with. You know what else I grab? A camera.

You might think that to be true today, but back then cameras were not as plentiful as today, and a little more complicated to operate.

I have a camera from the 50's and it is actually easier to operate than these modern ones with all the mumbo jumbo software, digital stuff and what have ya. You just wind it up and it runs for a whole minute or even more. You also need a projector to play the material.

reply to post by SuperSlovak


Sorry, But I don't remember having a cell phone even with a camera built in it back in 1955.

Did you have one?

Is this the same ufo that the U S was supposed to of taken by force from the Mexican soldiers?



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This guys review of the book about this case brings up some good points about how there is plenty of verifiable info if someone puts forth the effort.

It is frustrating to me to hear people dismiss these accounts because it doesn't seem to make sense to them how such a highly sophisticated race of Alien beings can make it all this way only to have their means of travel break apart upon "crashing" on our planet.

While I can appreciate questioning a situation(I'm personally a huge fan of it) I can't appreciate dismissing an account simply because it doesn't make sense to me.

I personally like to think outside the box, and coincidentally credit ATS with nuturing that attribute.

We do not have all of the information in every particular situation so they must be judged on a case by case basis. In this case, a 500mph plane can catch a 2000mph UFO because he followed the vapor trail. Why was there a vapor trail? We do not know. Maybe it is always there or maybe there was a problem with the craft. No one said just because they were advanced that they were perfect. Who is to say that the craft was not struck by a meteor of was affected by radar as mentioned earlier.

Who is to say that these craft are not designed to self-destruct upon encountering a certain death simply to keep technology out of the hands of those proven not to be able to use it responsibly?

Who is to say that there is only one species visting us and that they are all on the same level of technological advancement?

There are many qestions and possibilites to be considered when truly analyzing a situation from an objective perspective while allowing an "outside the box" mentality to fully operate.

Not everybody rolled around with cameras in 1955 so grabbing one real quick may have have presented a problem.

I'm not saying this story is true and I'm not saying it isn't. I just prefer to view a situation from as many angles as possible as I am constantly surprised by my own limitations imposed upon me by preconceived notions.





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Originally posted by iforget
These UFO's were thought to have been outsourcing their braking system thru Toyota thus when the hit the gravity bumps near earth---crash.

What happened to the piece of wreckage recovered by Colonel Willingham?

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I think the Aliens call that Prius syndrome

oh my god that was way too funny

If something did crash then the craft had an achillies heel in some form. The Roswell crash may have been caused by lightning, in fact some of the early stories hint at that. Is there more to this this particular story? it seems to stop short.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
but back then cameras were not as plentiful as today, and a little more complicated to operate.

Actually cameras were easier to operate, all you had was aperture, shutter speed and focus - compare that to a digital camera... and no where on a USAF base was a camera able to be borrowed, if he borrowed a light plane, why not a camera....n and what did happen to that piece of metal?

OK. The first thing to do is ask some question that should be answered before people go off conjecturing about any aspect of this case.

Where was the Col. based? How in the world did he think he was going to jet back to the base and hop back into another plane and land by the disk? That is not exactly flat, unencumbered territory out there.

The bigger question is the guy is on active duty and he is going to do WHAT!?



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In reading the source of that story, we find that he was with a flight supposedly escorting a B-47 bomber across the southwest. His flight would have been on orders to a base further west. Seeing a mysterious craft in the vicinity of the B-47, an atom-bomb capable craft (wonder if it was carrying an A-bomb?) it would be unlikely that any members of the flight would have been allowed to deviated much from the flight plan. We can figure at that time the F-86's guns were loaded and the mission was to protect the flight. If there was one known boggie, the automatic suspicion would have been that maybe there were more. (Boys, close up the formation around the B-47!)

UFOs don't usually leave contrails, but wait, this one was failing, so that makes a good reason why he could follow the saucer, but how did his jet catch up with a craft going four times the speed of his jet? But it did well enough for him to see it actually crash.

Permission for him to pursue would not have been instantaneous. Several rungs up the heirarchy would have to be consulted. fuel supplies would be depleating all the while, etc. But yet he says he saw....

The crash happened in Texas but a bunch of Mexican soldiers had taken command of the US areas? Not likely in those days. Nobody had troops just hanging around that area of the border, very desolate.

Yes, this is mostly conjecture too, but based on what we are told about the incident.

It makes for a good story...for some folks, ...and over all it helps the cause, I guess..

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G'day gortex

Thanks for posting that very interesting video.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Its not about making sense its about being logical.

I just think some people on ATS do not comprehend the technology it would take to transverse the universe. I mean even if these aliens could travel the speed of light that would be nothing to really brag about on a universal scale.
The nearest star is 4.5 light years away. Andromeda 2,500,000 light-years away.

You would either have to have some worm hole type technology being able to travel to different parts of the universe instantaneously or be able to travel thousands of times FTL to transverse the universe in a timely reasonable manner.

Any race with this technology may not be perfect but i find it hard to beleive they would get here and crash unless on purpose..

Look we have 100s of planes go up a day and you dont hear of a plane crash everyday and we are far from perfect. So whats the chances of a species with that tech getting here to crash?

I think people dont really sit back and take the time to comprehend the level a species has to be at to star travel. Its mind boggling no other words to describe it.


I just dont buy the accidentally crashing. Even if you can buy into that how in the world could their be so many crashes? Take the radar thing for example after the first crash would'nt they realize our radar took a craft down and make adjustments? One crash mayyybbeee a dozen + crashes? yeah right!!!

Sorry just cant buy into this theory.




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Originally posted by TrueBrit
While I do not doubt the veracity of the claims made by the retired air force colonel, I have to point out that the idea of a species crossing an interstellar void , comming into our atmosphere, and then encountering a massive failiure of propulsion and lift, are miniscule.

I hear what your saying dude, and logic seems to fortify what you are saying! But..Colonial Phillip J. Corso along with other very credible whistleblowers have said that the radar tech of the 40's, 50's, and 60's was believed to interfere with the electrmagnetic propulsion systems of the ufo's and that is why thier were so many crash and retrievals in those days!

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The vast distances that need to be traveled lends to the theory that
these craft are from somewhere a little closer. Proxima Centauri, a bit more than 4 LY's away. At S.O.L. it takes 4 years here and back. Chances are that if they are from another star system, it ain't that one.
Maybe they originate from this solar system ?
Mars perhaps ? The Moon ?
There is mounting evidence of life on Mars (At least on the internet)
Solves a whole bunch of issues.
Ponder the average size of reported craft. (20-30 ft. diameter?)
Where do they store their essentials ?
Food, water, air ?
Just do the math.
We are left with just a few scenarios:
1. They are from somewhere relatively close.
2. They are from another dimension.
3. Their technology is so advanced that they can travel vast distances
almost instantaneously.( In which case they may even be from another
galaxy.)
4. They are US !

Anyone have another theory ?

Originally posted by Noromyxo
reply to post by ker2010

 

The vast distances that need to be traveled lends to the theory that
these craft are from somewhere a little closer. Proxima Centauri, a bit more than 4 LY's away. At S.O.L. it takes 4 years here and back. Chances are that if they are from another star system, it ain't that one.
Maybe they originate from this solar system ?
Mars perhaps ? The Moon ?
There is mounting evidence of life on Mars (At least on the internet)
Solves a whole bunch of issues.
Ponder the average size of reported craft. (20-30 ft. diameter?)
Where do they store their essentials ?
Food, water, air ?
Just do the math.
We are left with just a few scenarios:
1. They are from somewhere relatively close.
2. They are from another dimension.
3. Their technology is so advanced that they can travel vast distances
almost instantaneously.( In which case they may even be from another
galaxy.)
4. They are US !

Anyone have another theory ?

I think the only theory you missed is they are from inner earth or fallen angels.