PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

Originally posted by GenRadek

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
Here's a snapshot of the critical moment:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5f744d2629b0.jpg[/atsimg]

Oh thermo! did you notice the building is already collapsing? Why dont the windows break before the penthouse collapses? The penthouse collapse started about 8 seconds before the rest of the building started to go down. What kind of demo charges explode after the building collapses?

[edit on 2/13/2010 by GenRadek]

I just had to jump in here and put in a big correction. I have spent nearly an hour examining the footage of the clip that I put into this thread. What is especially important about this clip is that it allows one to see precisely when things happen.

First, at second 0:01, when the camera is zoomed in, you can see that the building has not begun to move. The roof line is straight and more importantly, you can pick any window on the well-lit side and line it up with the shadowed building in the foreground to see precisely when the building begins to move.

Once the zoom-out happens, at second 0:02 you can see the building beginning to go down very slowly. You can see this by looking at a window on the well-lit side of the building and noticing how it slowly disappears behind the building in the foreground.

Then, within that very same second 0:02 you will see the first signs of that complete column of windows blowing out. Once that happens, the building begins its smooth and steady collapse to the ground.

Okay, let's get something very clear here:

STEEL BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE FROM FIRE...

I don't know how else I can scream this into your ears so that you solidly get it. You need to snap out of your mind-control and start looking at things realistically. It doesn't matter if you didn't hear "boom boom boom" because things were done on this day that were meant to conceal what really happened. The main thing you need to pay attention to is:

STEEL BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE FROM FIRE!

Just keep repeating that to yourself over and over and eventually all the MSM programming will begin to fall apart in your mind. These guys running the SILENT WAR are masters at getting you to believe the impossible, which really isn't all that hard to do. You just keep repeating the lie, using guys on "news" channels who wear nice suits. They can get you to override what your logical mind and eyes are telling you. They can get you to override plain and simple facts, such as:

STEEL BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE FROM FIRE... NO THEY DON'T...

Now, before I present some proof that buildings do not collapse from fires, let me first give you some words from Senator Mark Dayton as he speaks about some of the LIES committed on 9/11:



One example of these lies has to do with Flight 93. Notice how there were firm reports that the flight had actually crashed into Camp David, and that Sept. 11th was the anniversary of the Camp David Accords:



Apparently, somebody didn't want 9/11 to involve anything dealing with Israel, so this fact of flight 93 crashing into Camp David was conveniently hidden!

So, with lies happening all the way at the top, is it really so hard to believe that lying was being done in other places as well? For example, the lies being told that buildings can collapse from fire!

Here's an example of fire hitting China's tallest building, and pouring smoke and flame from nearly every floor... the building did not collapse:

China's Tallest Building Catches Fire

Here's an example of a small building that had been weakened by fire. Notice the crumbling of the building materials and how it just fell to pieces:



Notice how small buildings, made from flammable materials, do collapse from fire. Also notice HOW they collapse, falling into a mass of weakened material. This type of collapsing if VERY different from the type of collapsing we noticed at the WTC. In fact, there has never, not one time in man's history, been any building which has fallen like any of the WTC buildings because of fire.

Please... let that fact sink into your brains and realize that it is because of facts like this that so many of us can't just be TRUSTERS, and why we are seeking the truth with all our hearts. We are not at all being silly to question what our brains see as unrealistic assertions made by a government and a media that are obviously compromised in some sort of fashion.

One more time, just so you hear again and hopefully allow it to punch a hole in that TRUSTER helmet you have on over your mind:

STEEL BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE FROM FIRE!

[edit on 13-2-2010 by downisreallyup]

Originally posted by devenirmusic
Good morning, Good Afternoon and Good evening to everyone…

We live in the 21st century, where there are cameras located on almost every major street, specially in big cities like Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle and of course… New York.
Here in Los Angeles, I can find one easy… All I have to do is say… “Hey… look…. What’s on top of that traffic light post? Oh it’s just aother street camera… SAY CHEESE!”

So if building seven was a controlled demolition (And I’m not saying its not ) then why not look back at least two months, hell maybe even a full years worth of surveillance video located on each of the streets surrounding building seven and looks for suspicious activity?

Now I don’t know if NY has cameras on every block because I do not live there, but maybe someone can look into it and see if there are cameras that might have been surrounding the building at the time.

IF and that’s a big IF, IF there are cameras… those explosives would have had to have entered the building some how right? i.e. Vans and or trucks? Maybe unmarked and unregistered vans and or trucks?

Perhaps one of these cameras, IF there were cameras… would have captured suspicious activity days, weeks and or months prior to 9/11. Unmarked trucks and or vans entering, and or leaving the building?

I mean a camera like one of these on youtube:
www.youtube.com...
(THIS IS A LINK SHOWING A STREET CAMERA IN NEW YORK CITY)

So all I am saying really is… maybe we are looking at the wrong footage? Just because it was filmed on 9/11 and shows building seven collapsing doesn’t mean it’s the full story, everyone keeps talking about FAQ and what not… well then maybe this can be another gate way to putting the whole story together again…

I’m talking about getting your hands on as much footage available PRIOR to 9/11 and maybe, just maybe if you guys are all correct…. Then maybe we will see something we have yet to discover?

Please, I am just trying to look at it from a different perspective, do not reply in an un respectful manner because I respect all of you along with all of your thoughts and or comments, thank you for your time.

Hello,
You brought a brilliant perspective into light! The only problem with that is that I'm afraid because of hard-disc space, or if cameras are actually recording 24/7/365, whatever footage that may've been caught may as well have been "looped-over." It is definately worth looking into though! Star for you!

reply to post by conspiracy88


I didn't call you a socialist you weirdo.

I just said that you're ranting about there's being no jobless people didn't reflect capitalism or democracy.

chill

reply to post by downisreallyup


Steel buildings do NOT regularly collapse from fires.

100 storey skyscrapers aren't regularly hit with planes though either.

Nothing about 9/11 was regular.

Go watch vids of demolitions people.

You see EXPLOSIONS.

Not dust.

reply to post by helster83

TeFunny thing is that when my father was down in ground zero, I remember my mother telling me that they were going to tear down building 7 because the infrastructure became "unstable" after the collapses that happened around it.xt

Yeah, sure, pal. In the middle of the biggest crime scene in American history, someone authorized a crew of engineers and demolition experts to navigate across the pandemonium, emergency crews, and debris and examine the building for proper explosive placement, set up said explosives, and conduct a demolition in a matter of hours that same day. (an act that usually takes weeks)

And thereafter, despite the explosive controversy surrounding this issue, we have yet to hear one person from this alleged demolition team, let alone the owner of this company, come forward to claim responsibility for carrying out this order or to explain how they managed to accomplish this super hero feat in lightening speed...

I don't think you are really shocked that this information hasn't made the news.

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by downisreallyup

 

Steel buildings do NOT regularly collapse from fires.

100 storey skyscrapers aren't regularly hit with planes though either.

Nothing about 9/11 was regular.

There is nothing about the planes hitting those buildings that would account for them falling as they did. The structure was not damaged so as to weaken all the lower floors. The fires were nowhere near hot enough to compromise the structure... there were even people standing in the holes where the planes had gone in. The fuel burned up almost instantly, especially in the second building struck, where nearly all the fuel went out the other side of the building. The firemen had even said that the fires were nearly out. There was no raging inferno. Flames did not engulf those buildings.

Sorry mate, but it just doesn't make sense, not when you consider ALL facts, and remove from your mind the presupposition that airplanes took down the building. You must recognize just how powerful paradigm and presupposition is.... it is very hard to be objective if you maintain that mentality.

Don't forget... nearly every TRUTHER was once a TRUSTER. We only came to see the problems in the "trusting" position when we got the courage to override what we were hearing from the media, and what our wishful thinking was screaming at us. You trusters started off as trusters and you have maintained that position from 2001 until now. You have not had to go through the process of "changing your mind" because you have maintained your same position all along. For those of us who DID change, I can assure you that it only happened after much deliberation, many nights tossing in bed, much angst, much sadness and wanting to stay in denial.

When I saw videos of people standing in the holes where the planes entered the towers, my logic said "Oh, the fires must either be out or not very hot at all", while my mind was listening to news reports claiming that raging fires had weakened the building causing it to crumble down.

There was originally a huge disconnect between those two ideas, but eventually I had to look into all this. I found that firemen radioed from those floors and reported that the fires were quite manageable and nearly out.

Then I saw the video of the firemen talking about the "boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom" explosions they witnessed going down the building.

Then I saw the videos of all the reports of explosions that occurred in the towers.

My God, I didn't want to believe any of this, but the evidence kept coming. One testimony after another. I went and looked up the death records on the Social Security site and found that nobody from flight 93, and I mean nobody had been recorded as dying, and I couldn't find any of the names on that flight in the records of those who collected the money for victims.

I looked through every passenger list I could find from each of the flights, and found that there was not a single middle eastern sounding name on them. NOT ONE!

I wondered how passports of the supposed terrorists could fall out of a sealed or burning aircraft, totally unharmed and undamaged, without a single burn mark. I would have to be a fool to believe such nonsense.

I could go on for days about all the little things that started to nag at me, and to haunt me about all this. I watched the news reports and compared them to all the videos that were starting to come out, showing actual people and events that contradicted what the news was saying.

This is the process one has to go through if one is to migrate from TRUSTER to TRUTHER, and it's not a pleasant path to take, I can assure you.

reply to post by loveguy

Hello, You brought a brilliant perspective into light! The only problem with that is that I'm afraid because of hard-disc space, or if cameras are actually recording 24/7/365, whatever footage that may've been caught may as well have been "looped-over." It is definately worth looking into though! Star for you!

Yes, I'm sure after nine years, this is the never-before-considered, key piece of evidence that will break the case wide open and bring forth justice for America.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
Yes, I'm sure after nine years, this is the never-before-considered, key piece of evidence that will break the case wide open and bring forth justice for America.

This what the conspiracy theorists do not get. no matter how much they believe their own silly conspiracy theory, involving all sorts of nonsense like being able to install tonnes of invisible explosives into occupied buildings, involving man months of work knocking holes in walls, and wiring all these explosives up and no one notices, nuclear weapons being used to bring down the towers etc etc

Nothing is going to happen. There will not be another enquiry into it, there will be no uprising of confused conspiracy theorists, in the years to come the conspiracy theorists will still be repeating their old tired mantra that no one believes and has no basis in any fact, and people will just get on with their lives.

Originally posted by loveguy

Originally posted by devenirmusic
Good morning, Good Afternoon and Good evening to everyone…

We live in the 21st century, where there are cameras located on almost every major street, specially in big cities like Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle and of course… New York.
Here in Los Angeles, I can find one easy… All I have to do is say… “Hey… look…. What’s on top of that traffic light post? Oh it’s just aother street camera… SAY CHEESE!”

So if building seven was a controlled demolition (And I’m not saying its not ) then why not look back at least two months, hell maybe even a full years worth of surveillance video located on each of the streets surrounding building seven and looks for suspicious activity?

Now I don’t know if NY has cameras on every block because I do not live there, but maybe someone can look into it and see if there are cameras that might have been surrounding the building at the time.

IF and that’s a big IF, IF there are cameras… those explosives would have had to have entered the building some how right? i.e. Vans and or trucks? Maybe unmarked and unregistered vans and or trucks?

Perhaps one of these cameras, IF there were cameras… would have captured suspicious activity days, weeks and or months prior to 9/11. Unmarked trucks and or vans entering, and or leaving the building?

I mean a camera like one of these on youtube:
www.youtube.com...
(THIS IS A LINK SHOWING A STREET CAMERA IN NEW YORK CITY)

So all I am saying really is… maybe we are looking at the wrong footage? Just because it was filmed on 9/11 and shows building seven collapsing doesn’t mean it’s the full story, everyone keeps talking about FAQ and what not… well then maybe this can be another gate way to putting the whole story together again…

I’m talking about getting your hands on as much footage available PRIOR to 9/11 and maybe, just maybe if you guys are all correct…. Then maybe we will see something we have yet to discover?

Please, I am just trying to look at it from a different perspective, do not reply in an un respectful manner because I respect all of you along with all of your thoughts and or comments, thank you for your time.

Hello,
You brought a brilliant perspective into light! The only problem with that is that I'm afraid because of hard-disc space, or if cameras are actually recording 24/7/365, whatever footage that may've been caught may as well have been "looped-over." It is definately worth looking into though! Star for you!

Why is it so hard to imagine that these buildings (if not all 3 but at least WTC 7 seeing who/what it housed) were pre-built with this technology? I mean, why not? Planes are built with ejection seats so, why can't an important enough building (holding world secrets) be quipped with denotation devices upon construction? Why must this have been planted later on?
Yes WTC I & II certainly looks like something went on during their power-downs weeks before that Tuesday but WTC 7? I still think it had it's own sprinkler system only instead of water it had explosives.

reply to post by dereks


no one believes? i'm sorry but you haven't looked at the statistics on what people think about 9/11.

Most people think the government lied.

STOP SPOUTING BS! PLEASE! YOU WANNA BELIEVE THE OS? THEN GTF OFF OF THIS CONSPIRACY WEBSITE! YOU HAVE PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE JUST YOUR BIASED OPINIONS! YOU RESORT TO AD HOMINEM ATTACKS BECAUSE YOU CONSTANTLY GET PROVEN WRONG. YOU EITHER HAVE NO LIFE OR YOU ARE PAID TO SPOUT NONSENSE. OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NOT BE ON THIS WEBSITE!

Originally posted by TwoPhish

Yes WTC I & II certainly looks like something went on during their power-downs weeks before that Tuesday

What power downs are you on about? How about posting a valid source to a power down in WTC 1 and WTC2

reply to post by dereks

Nothing is going to happen. There will not be another enquiry into it, there will be no uprising of confused conspiracy theorists, in the years to come the conspiracy theorists will still be repeating their old tired mantra that no one believes and has no basis in any fact, and people will just get on with their lives.

Two things:

1. My quote you refer to was intended as a joke to convey that the video footage being discussed had probably been addressed years ago, as this would have been one of the first things acquired in a case like this.

2. This is not "tired old mantra that no one believes." You have not been paying attention. A great many people believe it because the evidence is more substantial for the conspiracy theories than for the original govt. version. If you don't think these theories have any basis in fact, then you have not bothered to look at the evidence.

Get on with your life if you wish, in the meantime, the rest of us will try to ensure that you never become a victim of crime at the hands of your own government, as was the case for over 3,000 other Americans who went to the WTC on 9/11 and never came home.

reply to post by dereks

Why is it so hard to imagine that these buildings (if not all 3 but at least WTC 7 seeing who/what it housed) were pre-built with this technology? I mean, why not? Planes are built with ejection seats so, why can't an important enough building (holding world secrets) be quipped with denotation devices upon construction? Why must this have been planted later on?

Well, it's pretty hard to imagine considering I can't think of any human that would want to work in a building every day knowing they're enclosed in a potential time bomb. Then, I can't imagine there would be an owner of that building who would like to pay the insurance premiums it would cost to maintain insurance on this time bomb that was home to thousands of employees every day.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by TwoPhish

Yes WTC I & II certainly looks like something went on during their power-downs weeks before that Tuesday

What power downs are you on about? How about posting a valid source to a power down in WTC 1 and WTC2

Coming right up...

(don't know how to embed)
www.youtube.com...


Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund, was coming out of the Chambers Street Station, headed for his office on the 47th floor of the south tower.

How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on.
whatreallyhappened.com...

www.metacafe.com...


People Magazine archive is no longer available.

[edit on 13-2-2010 by TwoPhish]

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by dereks

 

Why is it so hard to imagine that these buildings (if not all 3 but at least WTC 7 seeing who/what it housed) were pre-built with this technology? I mean, why not? Planes are built with ejection seats so, why can't an important enough building (holding world secrets) be quipped with denotation devices upon construction? Why must this have been planted later on?

Well, it's pretty hard to imagine considering I can't think of any human that would want to work in a building every day knowing they're enclosed in a potential time bomb. Then, I can't imagine there would be an owner of that building who would like to pay the insurance premiums it would cost to maintain insurance on this time bomb that was home to thousands of employees every day.

Insurance premiums? Owners? They're likely the same people. Here's who were tenants in WTC 7.

Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
Standard Chartered Bank
Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
Department of Defense (DOD)
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International


And....humans not wanting to work there? Why do you think they'd be privy to this? Hell....I wasn't privy to know my government planned Operation Northwoods either but it was real!

[edit on 13-2-2010 by TwoPhish]

reply to post by NightGypsy


good point so i starred you.

i shouldnt be feeding the trolls

Originally posted by TwoPhish
www.youtube.com...

Problem with that claim is he is the only person that knew about that "powerdown". and during that "powerdown"
you could still use the lifts that had no power to get to the roof....
forums.randi.org...
911review.com...


whatreallyhappened.com...
nothing on that page about a powerdown...

www.metacafe.com...
No proof there about a powerdown...

So we have 1 man claiming a power down in only one of the towers, but physical evidence of tickets to the roof showed that was not true....

Of course the conspiracy theorists also ignore that even if the towers were powered down as claimed (which they werent), that was still nowhere near enough time to install the tonnes of explosives required, knock holes in the walls and wire them all up - with no one noticing when they went to work on Monday!

reply to post by downisreallyup

STEEL BUILDINGS DO NOT COLLAPSE FROM FIRE... NO THEY DON'T...

That must be news to the Fire Protection Engineers who made a study of building collapses from fire

www.fpemag.com...

Since I doubt you will read it will will quote from it

The numbers of fire collapse events can be categorized by building material as follows:

Concrete: 7 (1 in Pentagon 9-11 event)
Structural steel: 6 (4 in 9-11 WTC events)
Brick/Masonry: 5
Wood: 2
Unknown: 2

Notice how out 6 steel building collapses 4 were at the WTC complex

CONCLUSIONS
Past experience and this 2002 NIST collapse survey confirm that fires, and the related damage, deaths, casualties, and any collapses, are essentially rare and random events, whose effects depend highly on the time, nature, and circumstances of the fire occurrence. Thus, fires represent a hazard to all building types, materials, and occupancies. Likewise, the added fire-fighting difficulty in all taller buildings must be recognized, given the longer times needed to escape or access the higher floors. Many of the past major fires in tall buildings fortunately occurred in the evenings or weekends, when the office buildings were almost vacant, thereby, minimizing their potential dangers to human life. Automatic sprinkler systems are a very effective means to suppress a fire, but if the system is being repaired, or is nonexistent or nonfunctional for other reasons, the threat of fire growth increases.

Please explain why if steel building cant collapse from fire they speed some much money on fireeproofing the steel to protect it from fire?