Why are SO many priests child sex offenders?

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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A former Lutheran pastor in North County pleads guilty to child porn charges. The former pastor of Salem Lutheran Church in Black Jack, Andrew Spallek pleaded guilty to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

It has been on my mind a lot as to why SO MANY child sex offenders are priests or involved in religion?

It baffles me. In regards to all Priests that are child sex offenders, are they like that before they became priests, and did they choose priesthood because there is some wacko religious belief that sex with kids is good?

Or could it be that there is a common DNA trait in people that want to become priests, and some twisted disposition in having a sick thing for kids?

Or another alternative to that, does becoming a priest turn some of them into twisted child sex offenders? Some strange initiation while learning and training to become a priest?

Maybe there is already an answer and I am totally ignorant to it, but I was hoping to get some ATS's insights into this terribly wrong phenomenon and PLAGUE of religious child abusers.

Thanks.

Nomad.

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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It's weird how two groups of people who are totally different share the same affliction.

I'm talking about gays and priests having above average cases of pedophilia.

Then you have the double whammy if you happen to be a gay priest. YIKES!



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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When they commit themselves to a life of service they often become targets for spiritual entities...
...who seek to undermine the good they do with some focused evil...
...or by targeting their families...
...like the 'Footloose' syndrome of pasters children.

There are probably sociological studies on it somewhere...
...although I think it is more spiritual attack than a sociological mechanism.




posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Why are SO many priests child sex offenders?






Because of the easy access to children...Catechism has never been so exciting, huh..?





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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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'Why are so many priests sex offenders ? '

Interesting question

In the new upsurge of 'predatory priest' threads and news, I've been giving the question some thought

It seems unreasonable, even for the idiot Vatican, to expect men to live their entire lives as celibates. So there are bound to be a percentage of priests who, having failed to suppress their sex drive, have exercised it on those whom they believe will not be believed if they report it. So that would account for a considerable percentage of the 'sex offender priests'


But in addition, I believe that as part of the deliberate dismantling of the Christian religion, the news is either reporting sex offences by priests that did not occur

.. or, paedophiles have been seeded within the clergy, in order they would offend and make headlines

And at a guess, I'd say the non-Christians who dominate the Vatican, are responsible for seeding the paedophiles

I'd say it's a genuine conspiracy



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Better yet!

Why are MOST pedophiles NOT priests?

Or

Why are so many atheists pedophiles?

Or

Why are ALL atheist pedophiles against god?

See what I did there? Yeah...it is called spin.

Kinda like what you are doing with this amazing thread here.



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[edit on 11-2-2010 by Mr Mask]



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by Nomad451
 

When they commit themselves to a life of service they often become targets for spiritual entities...
...who seek to undermine the good they do with some focused evil...
...or by targeting their families...
...like the 'Footloose' syndrome of pasters children.

There are probably sociological studies on it somewhere...
...although I think it is more spiritual attack than a sociological mechanism.



Yeah that's interesting from a spiritual perspective for sure, I hadn't thought of that. I don't believe in any religions per se but I do think there are unseen forces.

Honestly I don't think this accounts for the huge majority of sex offenses by these sicko wack job priests. I think they are just that.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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tisk tisk, it appears some posters read neither the link nor the op for that matter. The current situation relates to a Lutheran minister, not a Catholic Priest.

Lutheran ministers are allowed to marry (according to their dogma) they also have women ministers.

The basic answer I suppose to the op is that, today's society is full of deviants, it is not solely a religious issue, there is trash in all professions, the media simply likes to point out when it is a religious person.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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The abuse of boys and girls is rampant in Islamic culture and pretty much institutionalized as access to the opposite sex is limited and illegal in many cases.

Didn't you ever get a vague sense of unease watching all those television shots from the middle east where the streets are filled with only men? Islamic culture is messed up like that.

Sexual abuse of young boys by clerics rampant in Paistan



On his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old Abid Tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask
Better yet!

Why are MOST pedophiles NOT priests?

Or

Why are so many atheists pedophiles?

Or

Why are ALL atheist pedophiles against god?

See what I did there? Yeah...it is called spin.

Kinda like what you are doing with this amazing thread here.



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[edit on 11-2-2010 by Mr Mask]


I'm not INTENTIONALLY spinning anything ok? I'm simply making an observation that there are a lot, LOT of reported child sex offenders as being priests!

Does that make sense to you? why priests?

Why not dock workers? or an abundant amount of motor mechanics? or an abundant amount of astronauts?







[edit on 11-2-2010 by Nomad451]



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by searching4truth
tisk tisk, it appears some posters read neither the link nor the op for that matter. The current situation relates to a Lutheran minister, not a Catholic Priest.

Lutheran ministers are allowed to marry (according to their dogma) they also have women ministers.

The basic answer I suppose to the op is that, today's society is full of deviants, it is not solely a religious issue, there is trash in all professions, the media simply likes to point out when it is a religious person.


Ok thats fair enough. I guess my real question is why are the reports always of religious people? Forgive my ignorance on that..

You make a valid point. A point that brings out a NEW conspiracy... Why does the media love to single out religious figures?



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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I did make a thread 70 Irish priests accused of sex crimes in US

In that I metioned

There is a page in Wiki which has a incomplete list of sex abuse cases of Priests by Country along with supporting links: en.wikipedia.org...

Just the cases which have reached courts only in US is pretty high



My opinion is it's because most Priests/Popes have to take vows of Celibacy which prevents them from marriage and sexual interaction. Maybe it's the reason why these Popes/ Priests commit such acts to satisfy their sexual needs from easy access of children's.

Reference

'The problem is not just with the fraction of priests who molests youngsters, but in an ecclesiastical power structure which harbours pedophiles, conceals other sexual behaviour patterns among its clerics and uses the strategies of duplicity and counterattack against the victims.'-

Joughin, M. 'Church response to the sex abuse priest', In Fidelity, No.8. September 1995, p. 1.


The evidence is that a higher percentage of Catholic priests and male Religious molest children more than other ministers of religion. Clergy of all denominations do not molest equally. In her foreword, the lawyer, Sylvia Demerest cites a 1995 survey of 19,000 treating professionals, funded by the National Centre on Child Abuse and Neglect. The study found that in the US, 94% of abuses by religious authorities were sexual in nature.

Over half of these cases (54%) involved perpetrators and victims who were Catholic, even though Roman Catholics comprise only 25% of the United States population. The minor victims of priest abuse are overwhelmingly boys and teenagers, (80&SHY;90%), which is contrary to the pattern of abuse in the general population. American studies are not the only ones which defy the assumption that clergy of all denominations abuse equally. The Briggs&SHY;Hawen study included 200 convicted child molesters in New South Wales, Australia. It found that 93% of convicted and imprisoned child molesters had themselves been sexually abused as children and 60% stated that they had been abused by a Catholic priest or Brother.

Source: /coxbh

or you can just visit this website and perhaps reflect why there is such high number of molesters as Priest/ Pope - www.bishop-accountability.org...



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Thank you very much December_Rain that is great research and information..

This is all I ask for when making a post, people's opinion and good solid information.





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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Did you happen to research Lutheran ministers, because that what this article refers to.

I get it, people enjoy playing bash a bishop, but pedophilia occurs in EVERYWHERE, as illustrated by the op, a Lutheran minister, not a Catholic Priest.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by December_Rain
 


Did you happen to research Lutheran ministers, because that what this article refers to.

I get it, people enjoy playing bash a bishop, but pedophilia occurs in EVERYWHERE, as illustrated by the op, a Lutheran minister, not a Catholic Priest.


I don't enjoy bash anybody at all, just in case you think that is why I made this post.

I'm just curious as to why there are so many reports of child offenses with religious groups or people.
Like I said to Mr. Mask, why not any other line of profession? And if it is a media conspiracy to single out priests or pastors or whatever religious person it is why do they single them out?



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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I'm not INTENTIONALLY spinning anything ok?


Didn't say you were doing anything "intentionally". I just told you what you were doing.




I'm simple making an observation


I so agree.



there are a lot, LOT of reported child sex offenders as being priests!


Why not make the thread called-

There are thousands more cases of teachers being pedophiles.

Or

There are more pedophiles recorded in nursery schools then in churches.





Does that make sense to you? why priests?


I wish I could make you fully understand how easy it is for me to make "sense" of you.



Why not dock workers?


Thousands of dock workers are pedophiles and hundreds of them also help traffic child slaves for various illegal activities.

In fact, many more dock workers help trade slaves, weapons and drugs then priests.

Is this making sense to you yet?



or an abundant amount of motor mechanics?


More mechanics are found each year dealing with the very same things I mentioned above, then all the priests you are referring to in this thread.



or an abundant amount of astronauts?


You win that one there.

So lets understand this together...pedophiles are a rampant problem in all countries of the world, all walks of life, and in all descriptions of job.

The question you should be asking is-

"why are you only aware of priests who molest children?"

Here...lets educate you a little, since we have you here already and so willing to ask questions.

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.

115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)


Also, some more facts for your head-

1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.

1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.

1 in 5 children are solicited sexually while on the internet.

Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under.

An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today.


Also, just to get you "on the ball" and in the know-

The median age for reported abuse is 9 years old.

More than 20% of children are sexually abused before the age of 8.

Nearly 50% of all victims of forcible sodomy, sexual assault with an object, and forcible fondling are children under 12.


Now...with your newly acquired knowledge, let me ask you this-

WHY ARE MOST OF THOSE CASES NOT DONE BY PRIESTS?

Statistically speaking, I guess we should trust priests more?

And, to answer your question on why "you are so aware of priests being pedophiles", perhaps it is because you get your "information" and "perception of reality" from a TV or a circle of people with an agenda.

Or maybe you just are not paying proper attention to the matter.

Any case, I hope I have enhanced your understanding on this matter.

Thank you for your time.







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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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You are making a very sound valid argument thank you. I certainly understand there are thousands of child abusers in all walks of life and with some research anyone will find that priests and religious figures aren't the majority.

Thank you for your input. What I will say to you though, and it is only a very small and indeed off topic point is that when you have something logical to say as you just did, I don't see any need for remarks such as:

"Kinda like what you are doing with this amazing thread here."

Now I know you probably aren't out to make wonderful internet buddy's with everybody, but those remarks really aren't needed or appreciated and they don't help.

But besides all that thank your for you valuable input, you have thrown a better perspective on the issue for me.


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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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I didnt read anything, I will just say this: its obvious ...

priests are considered to be friendly, to be a person you can trust and a person that can help you, so its easy for them to get to kids

the thing is that they are predators, so the easiest way to get to kids is to become a priest, I mean, its the most obvious answer ever



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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I am not trying to suggest all priests are bad people, but the Priesthood is appealing to pedophiles. First, Priests have access to children which is appealing for a pedophile.

Second, only a person with abnormal libido would be attracted to the priesthood. It is not necessarily wrong to have an abnormal libido, but people with normal libido's have an overwhelming desire to have a significant other and maybe have children. This overwhelming desire repels most of them from the priesthood.

On the other hand, people with abnormal libidos are not repelled by the priesthood. Many of these people are pedophiles who have no desire to get married to another adult because they desire children.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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Its been proven that pedophiles are attracted to jobs where they have access to children and a level of authority. The priesthood is a perfect cover. My guess is that there are way more priests fooling around with women than children. They just don't get caught. A woman is not about to tell her husband she's been shagging Fr. Flannagan. An adult woman is also not going to display the kinds of aberant behavior that a molested child will which invites scrutiny by parents, siblings, teachers, etc





 
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