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The second vatican counil the whore of babylon?

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posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 02:55 PM
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because a debate with people who hate the church always wind up
flaming and attacking without cause.

why the name roman catholic church?

catholic mean universal, and its roman because constantine made it the state religion
in 300 and its seated in (rome).


also constantine converted after recieving a sign of jesus, while later that night
recieving a dream about his vision and thus he converted, his mother helped him convert who was canonized a saint
leter by the church.


1. our churc does not teach paganism.

2. we do not preach focable conversion. ive studied catechisms, encyclicals, decrees, councils, and not
one condone forcable conversion.


Purgatory wa a divinely revealed doctrine to the church..

jesus promised the church would hold all truths, all keys to the kingdom.


letslookat passages..

1peter 3;19

"" In which also coming he preahed to those spirits that were in (prison): which had been some
time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of god in the days of noah, where 8 souls were saved
by water ""

3:20

"" Whereunto (baptism) being of the (like) form, (now) (saveth) you also ""



christ talks about baptism..

"" baptise all creatures in the name of the father son holyspirit ""

"" unless you are born again of water and the spirit you canot enter into the kingdom of god ""

that leaves two churches..

1. bapists which began welll after 1500

2. catholic church which teaches baptism erases original sin ""


if you would read scripture you woul know it does back up the church all throughout the NT.


John 3:5

"" Unless you are born again of (water) and the spirit you (cannot) enter into the kingdo of god ""



Now about the crusades ect..

read these two.

www.credo.ndirect.co.uk...

www.catholic.net...



"" jesus did not creat the catholic church ""


ok, then how all throughout scripture these kind of passages appear?


"" when we are not there know how to behave (in) the church of the living god, the pillar
and foundation of truth ""

"" when you come together to assemble, no how to behave in th church ""


" women should keep quite (in) church and shoul not speak ""


what other church is there that began in the early centuries?


It (is) the catholic church, an i will always believe so baised on scripture and the miracles.


peace.



arc

posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 03:11 PM
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" women should keep quite (in) church and shoul not speak ""


pardon?



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by arc



" women should keep quite (in) church and shoul not speak ""


pardon?



im assuming you dont go to a catholic church so why is this a concern for you? if it si a concern why?



just curious.



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Truth


Purgatory wa a divinely revealed doctrine to the church..

jesus promised the church would hold all truths, all keys to the kingdom.


letslookat passages..

1peter 3;19

"" In which also coming he preahed to those spirits that were in (prison): which had been some
time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of god in the days of noah, where 8 souls were saved
by water ""








"There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

Purgatory is condemnation .



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 07:58 PM
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Not that I am Catholic...I'm a Protestant, but I simply had to comment on this issue. It always saddens and angers me to see such an attitude against women. In this day and age in particular, it is to be hoped that everyone's ideas,strengths, abilities, and worth would be respected. These qualities do not relate to gender, and yet women had for so long been told to be silent, told that they are less capable, etc., simply because they are women.

I understand that people may have been raised with certain attitudes and beliefs and may even unquestioningly accept them because "it says so in the Bible" or "my parents (or other authority figure) believed this" .

What does your heart tell you about the effects of being so disrespected simply because of a personal characteristic like gender, race, age...?



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 08:04 PM
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Purgatory does not exist. It was made up.



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 08:14 PM
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because

because a debate with people who hate the church always wind up
flaming and attacking without cause.


No one hates the catholic church. I just disagree with them but that dosen't mean i'm condemed


why the name roman catholic church?

catholic mean universal, and its roman because constantine made it the state religion
in 300 and its seated in (rome).


also constantine converted after recieving a sign of jesus, while later that night
recieving a dream about his vision and thus he converted, his mother helped him convert who was canonized a saint
leter by the church.


He didn't convert. It was a political scheme. He did his sun rituals in private and was buried the same way. If he really converted wouldn't you think that he would of had a christian cermony?



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 09:58 PM
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truth

our churc does not teach paganism.


christianity is all about paganism.



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by N0_hope_in_sight
Purgatory does not exist. It was made up.



exactly.


made up to benefit the catholic church.


its a contradiction to the essence of what Christ offered.



posted on Mar, 1 2003 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
truth

our churc does not teach paganism.


christianity is all about paganism.



oh so its not about a personal relationship with God, made possible by Jesus Christ?... its all about paganism now? i guess someone who doesnt know Christ personally could easily say that.



posted on Mar, 2 2003 @ 02:53 AM
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Saying christianity is all about paganism is as generalising and misleading as saying that Islam is all about terrorism or Judeaism is all about world commerce. Honest you people should learn to show a bit of spiritual tolerence towards each others beliefs, they're all as valid/flawed as the next guys.




posted on Mar, 2 2003 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by roadghost
Saying christianity is all about paganism is as generalising and misleading as saying that Islam is all about terrorism or Judeaism is all about world commerce. Honest you people should learn to show a bit of spiritual tolerence towards each others beliefs, they're all as valid/flawed as the next guys.



i think illumatic69 likes generalizations and or blanket statements.


Originally posted by roadghost
they're all as valid/flawed as the next guys.


what? how? this cant go without providng evidence or proof to help bolster your claim.



posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 07:38 PM
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I don't need evidence.

God told me!




posted on Mar, 3 2003 @ 08:13 PM
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Here is some evidence

www.infidels.org...

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com...

"Truth" Calling the modern day systems of Chritianity whores is absurd

But dont feel bad no one is trully perfect without being imperfect as well.



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