Global warming/climate change IS happening, but carbon isn't the culprit!

There is only one real culprit in the whole global warming & climate change saga, and that is NATURE. Ever since the planet formed, it's climates have changed on a massive scale.

Climate change effected the dinosaurs, and was probably the main factor in their demise. Now, if anyone can produce evidence that humans existed alongside dinosaurs, and were producing carbon emissions at that time, then I might change my mind!

Take ice ages for instance, created by natural changes in the earth's climate & atmosphere, then receding for the same reasons. If climates stayed at a constant level, we'd either still be in an ice age, or at the same climate that existed at the birth of the planet. In other words, we'd probably never have evolved.

Humanity is way too young to comment on these things, we've only been here for a tiny tiny fraction of the time the earth has. We're just a blip in the timeline. We will no doubt face many threats related to climate change, because we've never experienced the extreme elements of nature, we're still too young as a species.

We're doing what humans do best, blaming each other for factors way beyond our control. However I do beleive the things we are doing are having an adverse effect on the planet.

Take for instance the dwindling bee population, I have many theories about this, one of which is the commercialisation of the honeybee. The face we think we can just pick up & move massive bee colonies thouands of miles with no ill effects. This is having a knock-on effect with crop production because the transported bees are confused, sick and disoriented, so are not carrying out pollenation as they would normally.

Pumping raw sewerage into watercourses & oceans is another disgusting practice carried out by water companies in my country, and undoubtably worldwide. This will of course upset aquatic ecosystems, causing fish stocks to dramaticaly reduce and spread disease.

That is only to name a few things that REALLY need tacking, instead of focusing on the global warming farce. The UK government are who make the legislation that allows these things to happen, at the same time as wasting billions on banning plastic bags & 'litter police'. Really, doesn't that stink of hypocrisy????

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I have said this for YEARS! The warming and cooling is a NATURAL cycle. We do not cause or significantly contribute to it. It is NATURAL!

I agree that climate is cyclic. No one can deny that. It's proven! However, there is the possibility that we humans may be helping things along at a quicker rate.

Think of it like the sprinter who is assisted by a tail wind. We may be a tail wind.

I'm of the opinion that the biggest culprit for global warming is obviously the sun. If the room heats up, it would be ignorant to not check the heater.

The interesting thing is that there have been noticeable rises in temperature throughout the solar system. It's either highly coincidental... or it's related to the sun in some way we don't quite understand.

I've even seen some scientists claim that we are going through a 'dirty' part of space and that may be creating temperature changes throughout the solar system.

IRM

I wish it would start to warm up here in the UK we were promised a mediterranean climate, all the gardening programs were telling us to plant different types of flowers for our gardens to cope with a warmer climate.

I wait for the day my Palms are big enough to support my hammock.

We don't even understand the oceans, let alone the sun. We can't get back to the moon or land on Mars, so we are indeed a long way from fathoming this. It would be interesting if we could set up unmanned stations on other planets in the solar system, say Mars, to monitor climate there over a period of time. That way we could put that alongside data from Earth & see if there are any simlarities.

Will Global Warming Alter Atlantic Ocean Currents--And Amplify Climate Change?

.....Most climate change models predict global warming will slow these flows, in part by altering a key component of the Atlantic's circulation, called deep-water formation. If that happens, northern Europe will cool—or warm less severely—as the rest of the globe swelters.....

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I think it's 30% natural & 70% man made, natural changes do never alter that fast as we know. But really - Nobody can know that, so this will get another "flamethread".

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I happen to agree that man's influence can be destructive; however, I believe that is only true locally and for a limited time. Once man ceases his destructive influence, nature heals the Earth. Without fail.

Even places "we" have deemed "hopeless" and excluded ourselves from (Chernobyl, Bikini Atoll, and Love Canal come to mind) have been reclaimed by the Earth in our absence.

Hubris leads us to believe, falsely, in our omnipotence. We are much too insignificant to have a lasting impact. Once we have exterminated ourselves, the Earth will return to "normal." That time approaches in piecemeal fashion. But the destruction of a single species (homo sapiens) is largely insignificant, except to us.

But I have to disagree about bees, insofar as the US is concerned.

Take for instance the dwindling bee population, I have many theories about this, one of which is the commercialisation of the honeybee. The face we think we can just pick up & move massive bee colonies thouands of miles with no ill effects.

I happen to own well over 100 bee colonies. They are dispersed over a portion of two Texas counties. I know of no apiarists who "move massive bee colonies thousands of miles."

Queens are harvested, sold and distributed over unlimited distances, but only to replicate local colonies. There is no good reason in the US to transport entire colonies "thousands of miles" if they have adequate food supplies. If the food supplies die out due to drought, fire, et c., that colony is doomed anyway. Moving it a few hundred miles to "greener pastures" is a reasonable way to attempt salvage, but rarely necessary. (Most colonies survive tough times with honey stores.)

I believe you should stick to one of your other of "many theories" about bee decline.

jw

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I think it's 30% natural & 70% man made, natural changes do never alter that fast as we know. But really - Nobody can know that, so this will get another "flamethread".

Actually, they do. Ask the neighbors of Mt. St. Helens or Tunguska or Crete. Depending upon what you mean by "that fast," natural changes can occur astonishingly quickly. The Sahara and Atacama were once green not too long ago. "Greenland" wasn't ice-covered in recorded time. "Iceland" was once green.

And really, anybody can know that.

jw

(Hey IRM, long time, no see. s4u)
jw

I recently brought up the notion that there are too many unknowns to go full tilt on the climate change response agenda at a social gathering with my fellow grads. I could tell that most of them were shocked I could make it into Graduate School and not believe in AGW fully. But when I explained and used the example of the unknown cloud of interstellar dust we're going through right now that is heated at 6000 degrees F and science said shouldn't exist until recently, they seemed to calm down to where I was treated as an outsider who was open to debate.

I almost brought up the one question that's been bugging me recently: shouldn't we be worried about water vapor as much or more than carbon dioxide? I mean if there are more humans alive, being made up of 70% water, exhaling the stuff, producing it when they shower, drive, and well...live couldn't that be just as dangerous as global warming as it would provide more clouds to keep the heat that comes in here. On the flipside it would also keep more insolation from reaching the earth's surface. But as we see with Venus, one of the big reasons its so hot there is because of its thick layers of clouds. Just a thought.