Police: Man with weapons cache was preparing for Armageddon

Weren't they just smoke and pepper spray grenades? You can buy these online at a surplus store for $10 to $20...
It's insane to me how much is illegal...charged with owning police batons? Sh** I bought a baton at some store for $10! Here in Cali it's practically illegal just to defend yourself and yet gangs and mobsters roam the streets with all sorts of weapons

I heartily applaud the police for apprehending this dangerous lunatic.

Civilized men and women have a bargain with the State. In exchange for giving up their right to use violence, the State protects them from the violence of others. Most civilized countries do a very good job of this. The USA does it incredibly badly because of an anomalous constitutional provison that allows citizens to bear arms. Over the years, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans, have paid with their lives for this foolishness.

Originally posted by GenRadek

Although I am not too sure about the bullet-proof vests. Are those legally to own as a civilian, or are they police/military use only?

Depends on where you live. I have 3 myself (left over from work - I paid big bucks myself for 2 of them damned if I'll give 'em away! one was issued. They can have that one when it's outlived it's usefulness, and won't hold water any more).

I believe if I move across state lines, they suddenly become 'illegal' in the next state over.

Like THAT'S gonna stop me!

The only problem he had was to chose quantity over quality.

Originally posted by Astyanax
I heartily applaud the police for apprehending this dangerous lunatic.

Civilized men and women have a bargain with the State. In exchange for giving up their right to use violence, the State protects them from the violence of others. Most civilized countries do a very good job of this. The USA does it incredibly badly because of an anomalous constitutional provison that allows citizens to bear arms. Over the years, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans, have paid with their lives for this foolishness.

That, sir, is INCORRECT.

According to US law, as interpreted by the SCOTUS, no law enforcement official in the US has any obligation to protect ANYONE, and thus cannot be held liable for failure to do so.

Look it up.

Since your premise is flawed, so are all of the arguments following that, based upon it.

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They knew he had weapons... now that is the most disturbing part of all. Either he bought them all in a relatively short period of time and was put on some sort of "watch list," or he was stupid and showed too many people or bragged about it to his liberal neighbors. Either way, someone ratted him out for something that last time I checked was our 2nd Amendment right. 2nd being the 2nd most important matter of business to the revolutionary founding fathers, now we are starting to see why they gave us that right.... and why TPTB are trying so hard to eradicate it.

Originally posted by Ridhya
Grenades are considered faaaar worse than even an automatic machine gun because theres so much more you can do with it, concealed. Besides where'd he get them from?!!

Well, it's known that there's a black market in military weapons, sold to private citizens right off the military installations — military personnel are busted all the time while conducting these illegal transfers of ordnance.

Incidentally, a grenade can be considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction. I'm not saying they are, but if somebody wanted to make a legal case against you, they could pull the WMD card.

Definition of WMD is simple:
A Device that can Kill or Injure Civilian as well as Military Personnel.

That's it.

If it's not within the controlled scope of a given military operation, if it kills civilians as well as troops, then it's causing massive and unacceptable damage, and it's a weapon of mass destruction.

Grenades qualify as WMD. Land-mines qualify as WMD.

Former Secretary of State Cyrus Vance called land-mines "WMD in slow motion" because they go on killing for years after the military conflict ceases.

So, yeah, the police DO NOT LIKE IT when civilians are storing grenades and land-mines and other little goodies. If they bust you on a WMD charge, you can kiss your rights goodbye.

But, then, that's what the preparation is all about, right?

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 2/11/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Ive literally never heard of that definition Doc, are you referring to politician rhetoric instead of actual classification? Because some times people who want all out bans will classify something as its not to try to sway undecided minds.

I think grenade is termed Explosive Military Ordnance or something like that like I said earlier its about what one concealable thing can do, which is why you can purchase Barrett .50 anti-materiel rifle in the states, it can kill a lot more people with it than a grenade but the grenade can take out a room, car, and fits in your pocket...

Im definitely not for civilians having grenades that would be chaos, however in apocalypse scenario they are one of the best thing to have...

Originally posted by Ridhya
Ive literally never heard of that definition Doc, are you referring to politician rhetoric instead of actual classification? Because some times people who want all out bans will classify something as its not to try to sway undecided minds.

The definition of WMD is what it is:
A Device that can Kill or Injure Civilian as well as Military Personnel.

That's the accepted legal definition. Which is admittedly BROAD in its scope. It's supposed to be broad for a reason, so that it covers and includes new technologies.

Now, the politically-biased crowd will not identify grenades and land-mines as WMD, even though common sense tells you that hey a grenade can kill civilian as well as military personnel.

So, a grenade definitely falls under the broad definition of WMD, but the politically-biased crowd won't have that. They won't go there.

You know why. We all know why.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 2/11/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Well I expected, from reading the topic title, that it was somebody from the UK and not the US.
How can you confiscate someones weapons when they are legally and by their bill of rights (2nd Amendment) given the right to bear arms?!

Note how the police 'heard' that he was 'preparing' and decided on illegally raiding his house!
I'm afraid to say, and this goes for anywhere in the world, that people nowadays in the mainstream left-wing community are more likely to snitch and grass on gunowners because they hate people who can defend themselves without the police on their side!

I thought the UK was bad!
WTF are 'infernal devices?' I think police speed-cameras are 'infernal devices' so can we go and confiscate them?

Hopefully this man will be given his weapons back and this bs will come to an end.

The Gun Owners of America and the NRA need to get on this guys side!

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Im sorry I just really think you must be mistaken because, a freaking plastic fork can "injure civilian as well as military personnell"

NTI (anti-nuclear etc) group says:
The most widely used definition of "weapons of mass destruction" in official U.S. documents is "nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.

Okay upon a search I DID find your answer but you left out the important part in brackets Nuclear Chemical Biological weapons... (NBC)

But even with this, if you were to throw a germy blanket at them I guess that would be biological warfare scary...

[edit on 11-2-2010 by Ridhya]

The guy obviously did something to bring the Police to his home.

The only real concern here should be the pinko reporter that makes it sound like the guy was arrested for guns and ammo. That is not an accident. That is commie propaganda reporting intending to make the youth say ''guns are bad mkay''.

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
reply to post by Maxmars

 

They knew he had weapons... now that is the most disturbing part of all. Either he bought them all in a relatively short period of time and was put on some sort of "watch list," or he was stupid and showed too many people or bragged about it to his liberal neighbors. Either way, someone ratted him out for something that last time I checked was our 2nd Amendment right.

According to the local NBC affiliate, his wife, who happens to be a psychologist, is the one who contacted police because she was scared to death by the nutbag, She told police that he was preparing for the imminent imposition of martial law (gee, wonder where he got that idea?)

Again, wackjobs like this, and not the govt, are the most immediate danger to our safety. Some of us need to step back and reassess just how out of control the paranoia has become.

Originally posted by JBA2848
www1.whdh.com...
Theres a video on this page also.

Authorities were tipped off by the suspect’s wife, a Cambridge psychiatrist, who told police that she was afraid to go home. She plans to file a restraining order.

“He made the following statements to her, ‘Don’t talk to people. Shoot them instead. It’s fine to shoot people in the head, because traitors deserve it,'” continued a prosecutor.

Girard rarely left the house, hoarded food and medication and warned those in adjoining apartments not to be alarmed by noises that sounded like gunfire, according to his neighbors.

He had even converted his third-story loft into a firing range, according to police.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by JBA2848]

I don't know if he's crazy or not but I do know from a US friend that when he was caught 'playing away' his wifes revenge was to grass him up to the cops on firearms charges (he had his M4 carbine at home) and he got in trouble for it.
Women can often be very spiteful and vindictive when it comes to a divorce...

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
It was the grenades that sank this guy's boat, not the guns. As far as I know, civilians aren't allowed to own military-style explosives of any kind. It's not protected under the Constitution, so it's illegal.

Once they arrest you for one federal offense, you can kiss your other weapons goodbye, too.

— Doc Velocity

Many would argue that 'arms' covers explosives, but I agree that possessing hand-grenades is a bit ott.

In Oklahoma, starting in November, it will be illegal to barricade your door. I think people are going about this the wrong way. It doesn't do any good to store weapons. You are going to be out gunned no matter what you do. The thing to do is to guard the Constitution. We have no news media. We need a way to get the news out whenever the Constitution is violated, which has been happening a lot lately, and then muster enough opinion to say no. As long as the American people sleep on, we will drift into totalitarianism. We need to be able to say, even if we have no guns, that we will lay our bodies down in the road and let YOU NAZIS run over them. Maybe it would be appropriate to surround the capital and lay our bodies down until they change the legislation.
Yes I do realize that these Nazis will run over us because we have no news media. The founding fathers got people a lot more riled up than this with a lot less provocation because they owned their news media.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by m khan]

reply to post by Aggie Man


Exactly!

How can the arrest a man and confiscate his weapons and supplies, if owning weapons and ammunition is perfectly legal in the US?

Isn't it illegal to arrest someone for something that is NOT illegal?

Doesn't make any sense. Either this bloke had a licence legally entitling him to own and use firearms, or he didn't! If he did, he's well within his rights to own guns and ammo, regardless of what he thought he may have to use them for in the future!

He hasn't committed any crime has he?

Your police are seriously thick..sorry, but the more stories like this that come out of the US, the more incredible it gets.

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How can 299 million people be outgunned?

If they all had one gun each, that is about 297.5 million more guns than the total number of military in the US!

I'd say nearly 300 - 1 in favour of the people, is not being outgunned.
Of course, it goes without saying the weapons the military have, are orders of magnitude more powerful, but even accounting for that, the people are in no way outgunned.



[edit on 11/2/2010 by spikey]

Once again, all the 'white on rice' and 'flies on sh**T' ASSUMPTIONS from the ATS membership on the actual logistics behind this man's rights being violated, his legal possessions stripped illegally from him, and his freedoms revoked fly like a Sh*t pie wonderfest - and now it's all in everyone's face.

this is a fact finding site, sympathetic towards the sufferage of the world's population of the extortion and exploitation of thier basic human rights by the global elite and thier MK Ultra induced Manchurian Candidate police ghestapo - who lie to, steal from, and murder innocent people to hide the truth, so they can eventually get to YOUR door, and inevitably do the same to you.

Can anyone here PROVE the man had a shooting range in his condo?

Can anyone here PROVE he actually lived in a condo, for that matter?

Can anyone here disclose the real intent within that AMERICAN's mind, as to why he possessed articles used for SELF DEFENSE?

all I'm reading here is all this hoopla about he PROBABLY this, he's OBVIOUSLY that, He's DEFINITELY that way, I wouldn't want THAT KIND of nut job living near me....

LEAVE OUT THE IDIOTIC CONJECTURE - and realize this AMERICAN's rights and his very soveriegnty has been criminally violated through the deployment of ARMED ROBBERY by a GANG OF SOCIOPATHIC TERRORISTS who have been given the priviledge and the honor to possess a power that easily is abused, and obviously is.

Ok all you socialist panzies - get the hell off of my computer, YOU'RE NOT INVITED!


why are you still here? oh, that's right, I can't get rid of you because you have a RIGHT to be here, and to post this garbage, even if it's a pot load of crap being tossed in my face.

Instead of making excuses for why this happened, understand the larger implications behind it. The Patriot Act doesn't have to disclose any information on a detainee's charges, when that individual has been indicted for a definition prescribed by the PTB of a terrorist, and as such the American Citizen is no longer guaranteed a Constitution, as it is no longer a valid document governing this Country (see the yellow fringe on the American flag to remind you of that fact.).

DON'T BE A DISINFORMATION AGENT!

[edit on 11-2-2010 by DarkspARCS]

Infernal devices?

Who made THAT law?

Doesn't infernal mean having to do with HELL, a religious concept?
How can that be a valid law?

I've read that laws are so plentiful and so vague now, they could arrest anyone they wanted to and come up with 'valid' charges.