Police: Man with weapons cache was preparing for Armageddon

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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CHAPTER 266. CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY

Chapter 266: Section 102A. Infernal machine; possession; definition; notice of seizure

Section 102A. Whoever, other than a police or other law enforcement officer acting in the discharge of his official duties, has in his possession or under his control an infernal machine or a similar instrument, contrivance or device shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than ten years or in jail for not more than two and one half years, or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and the said machine, instrument, contrivance or device shall be forfeited to the commonwealth. The term “infernal machine”, as used in this section, shall include any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or, explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically and whether or not disguised so as to appear harmless. Notice of the seizure of any such machine, instrument, contrivance or device shall be sent forthwith to the commissioner of public safety and the article seized shall be subject to his order.


"whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically"
So I guess after Waco where smoke gernades started fires any gernade that could start fires are now Infernal machines. I guess the guy should have stuck with pepper spray instead of pepper gernades.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
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Btw this is fascism. Just thought I would make that clear.


No, it's keeping some insane person out of our society. The guy obviously had some severe mental issue.

Also, from the article:



He was also charged with the illegal possession of four police batons.


That's his crime. And you know what, lock him up and throw away the key.



[edit on 11-2-2010 by GorehoundLarry]



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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Maybe he meant "Armageddon" as in a world wide crisis, chaos, looting, and revolutionary clashes. If he meant it in the religious respect, then I totally agree! The only true preparation for Armageddon is PRAYER!


prayer will save us?
c'mon. be realistic. stop beliving in fairy tails. ima make sure i leave some cookies and milk in the living room tonight for santa.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat

According to several sources that were posted on a recent thread (I can dig them up if need be) it is legal to own bullet-proof vests but not to use them in the commission of a felony. Except I think for convicted felons, who can't own them.

I suspect that this guys troubles come from the "infernal devices", which I've just looked up in MA law. Basically it sounds to a non-lawyer like it covers any sort of explosive and people have been charged under that statute for things ranging from garbage bags filled with gasoline to a cigarette box packed with gunpowder (Source)

M.G.L. Chapter 266, Section 102A


Ah ok. I wasnt too sure about the armor. Well at least thats good to know!


"Infernal devices"?
sounds too much like the "assault weapons" ban, which also banned heat shields, bayonet mounts, muzzle shrouds, and folding stocks. All in the name of "safety"! What a joke. I can take that meaning of "infernal devices" to the potato cannons we used to build. They make a very nice loud BANG too with a small explosion. Should I be locked up for that too?



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Gregory Girard says:
I have guns in .223, .308 and others. However, in any gunfight I'll using my bolt action 9.3x62, or my .458 Lott, both of themn with solid, non-lead bullets designed not to expand. With these guns, it doesn't matter much if the attackers are taking refuge behind 2ft diameter trees, corners of buildings, behind cars, or wearing hard "rifle plate" body armor. These things are reletively transparent to such "safari" type cartridges (within certain limits, such as over an inch of steel). Certain firepower is low in terms of rate of fire, but a single shot well placed shot at several running up a path, for instance, will make it possible to pass a broomstick through all three. In general, safari type rifles approach the awesome ballistics of a 50 Cal., but are light as any standard 30 Cal rifle like a .308. Unlike the 50 Cal, one can run, climb walls/fences/trees, and shoot them from any conceivable position. Personally, if it were me on attacking end and I somehow found out the person I was after had a safari rifle, I'd would consider the fact that I could never find safe cover too much of a risk to proceed.
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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Holy Crap!!

That describes just about everybody I know! At least we live in the South, and this wouldn't be popular locally. Still, there are enough laws on the books to label just about anyone as a criminal, especially when they start arresting you for "intentions" or "preparations."

20 guns, 1000's of rounds of ammo, Tea Party, Mason, Survivalist....all those terms describe me and dozens of other folks in my town!

I am a little frightened.


I wonder if he was an ATS member?

They will probably next "find child porn on his computer."


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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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No actually we're not, or at least not without 'consent'. A law just passed where we have to register them and then you are basically on a watch list... if you are caught with an unregistered then there is a $10,000 (if I remember correct)

I have mine from former service and I was going to register it. None of my family and few friends knows about it. I think I would be better off keeping it on the downlow, thanks to ATS



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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Ok, I take back my comments, this guy was nuts. If his own wife turned him in and he was actually firing off shots in his attic he has probably lost it.

At first I figured he was a Dale Gribble type and the story was overblown. Maybe if the firing range was in his basement with a non-shared concrete wall behind the target so if he missed it would only hit the wall and possibly dirt behind the wall I wouldn't care.

To actually be firing off rounds in the attic where if his backstop fails he is risking the bullets going through his condo into other peoples condos, that's too much.

Add to that his wife's call to the police, he probably has lost it.


I could care less about the pepper bullets, the tear gas, the police batons, the guns, the ammo or the bullet proof vests. What I do care about is the only thing protecting others from him firing away in his attic is his aim and his backstop craftsmanship.

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:24 AM
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And we scratch off the 2nd amendment. I sure do feel better now without all that freedom weighing me down!



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:26 AM
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I just found one of the articles, I knew I cut it out. Ill quote some of it:


Senior police officers dont expect criminals to apply for permits, but the new law allows officers to seize body armour as they now do with armoured vehicles and restricted weapons they find


Good for confiscating from gangs, bad for people like me.


Police, armoured car guards, prison staff, sheriffs, conservation officers, security guards and private investigators will be exempted from the permit requirement.


Thats just what I thought was most important. Hmm must be the other one that talks about the fine.

I believe also if you are found with BOTH a weapon and kevlar there will be a higher sentence.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:30 AM
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It was the grenades that sank this guy's boat, not the guns. As far as I know, civilians aren't allowed to own military-style explosives of any kind. It's not protected under the Constitution, so it's illegal.

Once they arrest you for one federal offense, you can kiss your other weapons goodbye, too.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:30 AM
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I think you would feel different if you where this guy . You speak of him breaking the law? did you read the charges?



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
www.gloucestertimes.com...

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Pictures of the weapons.


I think the grenades are a bit of a problem.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 01:49 AM
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Before I retract my statements on this incident . I want to see if the charges stick and he is guilty of the charges .

The law enforcement can at times be over board as can the DA as well . And the media will report just what they are told .

Being the wife and friend of wife reported it and gave the back ground is it truth or a mad spouse ? Who is getting even or getting away from a bad situation .

I am going to wait and see what the out come is.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 02:03 AM
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He foretold his own future.

seekingalpha.com...


'Mass' Tipping Point? [View article] He's probably never been deaf, dumb and blind either, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't rather have his sight, hearing, and faculties of speech. But for the 2nd Amendment that keeps the gov't from moving on tyrannical impulses, unhindered liberal political dominance would result in the outcome it always has, and in the U.S. it would also transform this country into totalitarian police state, complete with purges of dissidents in death camps, all in no time flat. The world is replete with examples to prove this statement.

The full compliment of elements necessary to implement a nightmarish, brutal leftist regime is today, right now, prepared to let loose on the public on queue. Homeland Security plans thath list 2/3 of the populace as potential terrorists, the "continuity of gov't" legislation that has evolved since 1984 (ironically), a mountain of illegal executive orders that allow citizens who committed no crime to be sent to concentration camps and to confiscate any property for any reason, and over 800 concentration camps in the U.S., are all sitting on stand-by.

It would take next to nothing to unleash this horror. Do a bit of homework on my comments above, and you will be shocked that it is all true, and that I have not exaggerated this threat one bit. If you are like me, and others who became aware of this information, you will be forced to jettison the entire fantasy of a Constitutional Republic you grew up with. There is NOTHING Stalin did to the Russian people that our own gov't isn't physically and (falsely) legally prepared to do. It is only the millions of firearms in civilian hands that prevents the transformation that the left so passionately seeks. And with this cirmstance in mind, the feverish efforts on the left to disarm the public become manifestly clear in motivation.
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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 02:08 AM
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So did listening to Glenn Beck push him over the edge?

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 02:18 AM
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This is exactly why I keep my pie hole shut, go to a LEGAL range, discreetly insert my "tools" in the house and NOT piss off the wife...lol!
I can imagine how his conversations with his wife went especially when he suddenly began amassing that cache in 9 months alone!!!

To go from a 2009 BMW 5-series driving, STARBUCKS venti caramel macchiatto sipping, Iphone app-ing yuppie... to holding "ARMY OF ONE" (lol!) training sessions in your 3rd floor brownstone with a cache, though considered
average by rural georgia standards, in the middle of Cambridge, Mass. Add in popping stupid quotes to your wife whose trained in the psychological field, that WILL ring bells!!!

Well, hopefully this will not be a stab at our american constitutional rights, and instead just a case of one man, one big mistake on his part, and one man bearing the cost of his failure to maintain his bearing.

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posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Grenades are considered faaaar worse than even an automatic machine gun because theres so much more you can do with it, concealed. Besides where'd he get them from?!!

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I think it was justified (as per above reason) but it well be used as to take away rights, and they will reference this guy when generalising 'apocalypse junkies'. They will act like nothing bad can ever happen needs to be prepared for.



posted on Feb, 11 2010 @ 02:40 AM
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Guess he owns a 2001 41.3 foot yacht named Courage. I can see it mounted with harpoon laucher on the deck and torpedo tubes. :}

www.boatinfoworld.com...


41' sloop (Tartan 4100) Because of the frequency of gale conditions this fall, north of Boston, I have come to rely on the Gale Sail as standard piece of equipment that I would not want to be without. Also, it is very inexpensive compared to many of the other solutions.


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