I have to agree with the people defending the security guards from what I have read. (I can't see the video.) In my younger days, I would have run to the defense of just about anybody, and I did just that on several occasions.

1. I stopped a man from brutalizing his wife, only to have the wife beat me half to death with her purse and have them both try to file charges against me. (At least small town police used common sense and refused to let that happen.)

2. I was cut with a knife once (not "stabbed" luckily), by a girl's ex-boyfriend that had her pinned in a car and was beating the car. I intervened, he was arrested, and when he got out of jail she went back to him right up until he shot himself in her front yard in front of her whole family.

3. My father was evicting some tenants, with a Sheriffs deputy present and a crazy live-in acquaintence of the tenants showed up and jumped on my Dad and did stab him, and he defended himself. The deputy arrested the other man, and the city police arrested my Dad!

Let's see, there are plenty of other stories if I think hard enough, but the point is this:

I am older and wiser and more jaded now. I have a wife and 2 kids. I really can't see myself risking my own life to save a stranger these days. It makes me a little sad to admit, but it is the reality of the world we live in. My thoughts go to my own family first. Is it worth abandoning my family to intervene in a situation that I know nothing about to help someone that may or may not desire such help. (The first woman mentioned above was screaming for help by the way!) I just don't think it is. I will look after me and mine, and I will pray that everyone else does the same.

As this is a tough video to watch and the cop in me wants to take the little scumbag to juvenile lock up, the reality is this is the world SOCIETY has created. I see this behavior EVERYDAY...you guys see it once on video and get outraged....now imagine that outrage on a daily basis, maybe 2-3-4 times a day...and you can finally see why being a cop can become emotional and you end up whoopin someones a@@...

The female in the video (the witness in the green shirt) pisses me off. She states, "I was standing right there and saw the whole thing and no one did anything"....WELL...how come SHE didn't get involved? How come the other 30 people down there didn't get involved? The guards, like it or not, followed their policy...but this chick acting all upset had as much of a chance to stop it as anyone and DID NOTHING!!!! Yet criticizes those who were following their company rules.....its the LET SOMEONE ELSE HANDLE IT WORLD we know live in.

If the security guards are only there to observe and report and not intervene than get rid of them! Any bystander with a cell phone can do that job, and would. Having security on site provides a false sense of security and provides the illusion that help is on hand, when it is very apparent that is not the case.





[edit on 10-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Discusting. God forbid you take a photograph and you're instantly treated like a terrorist but when they're actually supposed to do their job they just stand there. They should be charged as accomplishes.

If they were armed security guards, i will agree with you. I can't watch the video from work...so im not sure.

If they were not armed security guards, then i disagree completely.

3 on 10 is never a fair fight, no matter how damned big you are.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Discusting. God forbid you take a photograph and you're instantly treated like a terrorist but when they're actually supposed to do their job they just stand there. They should be charged as accomplishes.

Hmmm...ok so tell me...how many times have MEDIA people (cameramen, reporters, field investigators, etc...) FAILED to intervene when someone was being beat on, killed, in need, etc....Lay down that stupid camera, roll up the sleeves and HELP your fellow man, rather then GET THE STORY....

Been on MANY calls, especially accidents where I get there before EMS or FIRE and there are people SCREAMING for help, trapped, bleeding, etc...and whats the MEDIA guy/girl doing...taking photos and notes and NOT doing a damn thing...and they wonder why we kick them out of the scene and tell them to get lost...if your not going to HELP..then your simply IN THE WAY!!!

First of all it wasn't 10 against 3. One of the 10 goes on a rampage and not all of them attack. Second, is it worth getting shot and etc. comments where exactly did you see a gun? Are you just assuming that there is a gun and that they're ready to use one? Just because someone might be armed that doesn't excuse you to stand and watch someone being beaten in a manner that could very well be deadly.

The security guards are absolutely pathetic, doesn't matter what their job description was - they were the human beings most capable at the moment to help a child.

Real cops doing this cost more money, but why bother hiring security if protecting is just an illusion?

If they are not man enough to handle 10 youth unarmed than they really have no purpose, do they? I've been in that tunnel and if I was there, I wouldn't have a problem protecting that girl. I'm big enough and strong enough to easily take down 5-7 average size people.

Don't like what happened? Send your complaints to Olympic Security Services, Tukwilla, WA. or Seattle Metro for hiring them.

The idea that we would complain about police abuse if they were police is a pathetic excuse. Police have the ability to do their jobs right and they have the ability to use whatever level of force is necessary for the given situation. They only make the news 1 in a thousand incidents when the public believes they abuse that power.

Someone stated that the parents of those kids should be to blame. For what, not teaching them right from wrong? Sure, that does happen. If that is the case, what about those who did nothing? What did they teach those kids? That they can get away with what they did to that girl? I put them all into a group, it`s called those who don`t give a good damm about life in general. I`m sure they will all pay for it in the end.

I don't think everyone is getting the gist of this.
A true crime protecting society would indeed have used tasers, but on the eight to ten different ##s that deserved to get it.
Yes , taze them .
All that people are saying on this thread to justify the guards is based on nonsequiturs, with respect.

Think about it. # being bound by an insurance company, # being bound by a contract. This is an extreme scenario and they demonstrated nothing at all in terms of what we all think of as being human. To have any kind of security job you must at least be able to move your body. At least be able to put it in between the body of a girl who's lying on the ground and bleeding and the psychotic bitch who's running back to stomp on her head just ONE LAST TIME!

All it took was their measley salary to make them into inhuman automata . Even more irony is that it's all compounded by the illusion that they were there to help.

Isn't there a 'Good Samaritan' law that applies here? I thought it was illegal to stand by and do nothing in the event of a violent crime taking place. As far as I know, the guards as well as the woman commenting on the video should be prosecuted.

Figured I'd give my 2 cents, being from seattle, and having waited for buses at the very spot of the crime...

I saw this on TV last night and it was disgusting to watch. I kept thinking if I was there I woulda kicked that chick in the ribs as hard as could have, I don't care if she's underage or female....then I thought...crap everyone else does. I would have then been the criminal, not a hero, and I woulda had to kick the tar out of her 10 friends too.

These security guards, if you can call them that, were following policy, probably scared of the other 10 kids, and thinking the same thing as me. "If i intervene I'll be labeled a criminal for taking out a teenage girl.

I know who's to blame here, it's the dumb B doin the beating, at least it would seem. But the system itself is set up to allow this garbage. I should be able to lay out any person, period, that gets violent with me, or that is beating someone down like this.

Related, there was a cop not too long ago(there should be a thread on ATS somewhere) also from seattle, who beat the crap out of a teenage girl on camera, and they couldn't even find him guilty, tho from the tape it was hard to argue he wasn't. I believe that trial was a mistrial and they are having him retried.
Thoughts on that....did it influence these security guards decisions?
Why can a cop get away with(so far) beating a teenage girl for kicking a shoe at him, and these guys cant, mace or restrain a teenage girl who is attempting to kill another girl?

I wish I could say this is just seattle, but I have a feeling the rest of the country is this cowardly and passive as well. I mean, do you wanna get sued by the attacker? thats the world we live in.....

ok i didnt watch the vid and read the comments...only went to watch it when someone mentioned how some psychotic "bitch" was the one being aggressive. WOW! ...and people actually were talking about how not everyone is brave or how these aggressors might be dangerous and all. i thought the gettolings in question were a bunch of male thugs who were beating away all at once. turns out it was just a girl that did the whole thing.

having said that and seeing as who the perp is you`d go to jail for bagillion years if you were to help the victim here...i understand.