Caught on Tape: Seattle Security Guards Stand By as Girl Brutally Attacked, page 2

reply to post by FiatLux

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1. The situation would never have happened with me as far as the potential for losing a job goes because A) I would NEVER take a security guard job unless I was allowed to carry a sidearm at all times and B) I have a concealed carry permit (or had one when I lived in Washington state... I now reside in a state which does not require a permit to carry concealed) and a handgun on my person at all times. Had I been in the tunnel when this happened, my sidearm would have made an appearance and I'd have been completely covered legally under the good samaritan laws (and yes, Seattle does have precident for someone using their concealed weapon to aid a victim... a fine gentleman shot a piece of crap a few years ago in downtown while the scum was trying to mug a woman. He recieved a pat on the back and faced no legal action.)

2. If I was in a situation where my family's well being was on the line versus someone else's life, I'm going to pick my family everytime. Sorry, that may not apply to you and your philosophy, but it's the way I conduct myself. What I'd hope someone else would do if the situation was reversed is irrelevant... ultimately, I'd hope that I never faced such a decision, but I'm simply being realistic about it. Clearly, as laid out in the Seattle Times article about the situation, the guards' had been clearly instructed that under no circumstances were they to physically interviene in anything. Most likely, they were told that to do so would mean automatic dismissal from their job. If wishes and dreams were horses and ponies, beggars would ride is an old saying which is very relavent here. Wishes and dreams do not put food on the table or pay rent. Simple truth is Seattle right now is one of the last places you want to be searching for a job, especially if you're carrying the stigmata of having been fired from your previous job for violation of company policy... Human resource managers don't give a crap WHY you violated company policy, they simply see a big blot on your record and translate that into risk for their company.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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OT:
That`s all fine and dandy. We have more respect for life then that. We don`t bow down to money because money can`t buy back a life lost, it never will. I was taught that, and I passed it on to my own kids. That is why we work together if one of us has lost a job. I wouldn`t care less what job training I have had, I would dig ditches or shine shoes if I couldn`t get a job I was trained for.

reply to post by ExPostFacto

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"Security is just a insurance measure for the corporation."

Wow, you just said a mouthful there. That statement in itself says it all. When it comes to a corporation, it`s money first.




[edit on 10-2-2010 by FiatLux]

reply to post by ExPostFacto

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I have to agree.

You guys must also understand that a group of thugs could potentially possess firearms, or any weapons. Stopping this girl could mean a scuffle with her friends, which all look underage. There is a high potential for a lawsuit which these security guards don't get paid enough for.

The protocols that are in place to protect the citizen could also come bac to bite them in the rear.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Equinox99]

reply to post by higns07

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I will take a quote from the priest from the movie Boondock Saints

"We must all fear evil men, but there is something we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men"

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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Can you please quote me as to where I was only referring to just the security guards? If so, please show me.

reply to post by AccessDenied

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Observe and report, every security guard knows that tenet.

Observe and report.

They are required to do just that.They are not cops.

They have been hired specifically to protect the property of who ever the contract is with.

I have been a guard for 15 years and I have known guards who have gotten fired for intervening in family disputes at a exclusive gated community I worked at.

OBSERVE and REPORT.

They did call it in,that is all they could do without losing their jobs.

I've never been a security guard, but I'd wager a guess that being an unarmed security guard doesn't exactly rank among the most training/qualification intensive fields.

And you my friend would be wrong.

Though there are periods of shear boredom.

In this uncertain world it is an ever increasing job avocation and is one of the industries that has not seen the lay offs that has effected the rest of the economy.

It has actually increased the need.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Oneolddude]

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