Paranormal State Captures Image of Jersey Devil, page 2

reply to post by xynephadyn

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Thanks much for posting this video; it's interesting at the very least.

I'm a tad suspicious though, because the videographers obviously had more footage than they are showing -- in the video, they spent more time with the camera on THEM, than they did on the creature.

What they show us, is the brief period of video that appears consistent with their hypothesis. What followed? Did the creature then walk away, giving clues to its real nature? I doubt that it just blinked out of view. For those reasons, I'm skeptical of the analysis of the videographers of this bit of video.

Good find, though. Thanks again!

reply to post by Rockstrongo37

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WEll duhh. Do you get your jollies making sense out of other people's over reactive imaginations or something? Jeez just leave the OP alone.


reply to post by xynephadyn

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Thanks for posting this logical interpretation of this picture, keep up the good work.

reply to post by xynephadyn

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I grew up in southern NJ and am quite familiar with the Pine Barrens and the legend of the Jersery Devil. Unless there is a breeding population of this creature (and there are no caves in the pine barrens that I am aware of by the way, the ground is sand) I would say you are looking at a duck, maybe a Hooded Merganser which is found year round in the area.

Hooded Merganser

I found this picture, good enough match for me.






[edit on 10-2-2010 by Helmkat]

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
reply to post by xynephadyn

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Im glad Im not the only one who saw this and thought it needed to be discussed here, even better that its one of my ATS friends.

I have family who lives in that area, and Ive heard their stories of the Devil since I was a little boy. I was always fascinated that it seems every part of the world has some sort of famous cryptozoological creature. Coincidence? Or do we need to take a step back and re-evaluate how much we really know about the world around us.

Do you think its a supernatural entity? Or just something living that's rare and undiscovered?

True! I live in Ohio, and right next door in W.Va. we have this creature. A death list has been prepared supposedly murdered by this creature. Mothman Death Listan industry has been built around this being, they have Mothman tours, tee shirts and statues, and other stuff.
Clendenin, West Virginia

I wonder if these creatures are a by product of nuclear testing?

The world’s first nuclear detonation was the Trinity test, conducted on July 16, 1945 in the Jornada del Muerto area of the central New Mexico desert at the Alamogordo Bombing Range (today the White Sands Missile Range).

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In July of 1945, Trinity’s plutonium core implosion device was detonated from a one-hundred foot tower that rose from the desert floor. Trinity’s yield was approximately 21 kilotons—one kiloton is equal to the explosive force of 1000 metric tons of TNT. The explosion created a fire ball 2,000 feet in diameter that lit up the sky for many miles and produced a tremendous mushroom cloud. The extremely high temperatures caused the surface sand of the crater to fuse, transforming it into a green, glassy layer dubbed Trinitite. Many Manhattan Project workers collected pieces of the jade-like material as mementos.

onlinenevada.org...:_nuclear_testing_before_nevada

Between 16 July 1945 and 23 September 1992 the United States of America conducted (by official count) 1054 nuclear tests, and two nuclear attacks. The number of actual nuclear devices (aka "bombs") tested, and nuclear explosions is larger than this, but harder to establish precisely. Some devices that were tested failed to produce any noticeable explosion (some by design, some not), other "tests" (by official definition) were actually multiple device detonations. It is not clear whether all multiple device tests have yet been identified, and enumerated.

These pages focus principally (although not exclusively) on the period from 16 July 1945 to 4 November 1962, the era of atmospheric testing*. There are a number of reasons for this. These early years marked the height of the Cold War, when the U.S. nuclear weapons establishment came into being, when the major breakthroughs in weapon design occurred, and when the most severe effects of nuclear testing were felt around the world. During this period test series were grand operations, involving huge numbers of people, and each often with a set of clear objectives. The era of atmospheric testing is also the period for which the most information is available. When tests were exploded in the open, everyone could collect data on what was being tested. When the tests went underground, testing became routine, and information about what was being tested went underground too. And of course, we can't have a gallery without pictures- and atmospheric tests are the only ones for which pictures exist.

* There were actually a few surface tests included in the official test count conducted after 4 November 1962. These were a series of zero yield tests of plutonium dispersal conducted in 1963, known as Operation Roller Coaster.

Nuclear Testing and Health

Ever since nuclear testing began it has been very difficult to get a useful accounting of human exposures to the fallout from these tests. Partly this was motivated by military secrecy, partly by a desire to allay public fears (i.e public relations reasons), and partly by a fear of possible legal action by actual of potential victims. Some exposure related incidents have been revealed due to the impossibility of hiding them: namely the high radiation exposures of the Marshallese and the Japanese aboard the Fifth Lucky Dragon after the Castle Bravo disaster. But most information on this subject has been withheld, deliberated buried in obscure reports, or never collected (this is the principle of being careful not to learn what you don't want to know). This information has slowly come to light in bits and pieces over the last 20 years.

What is probably the most important study of the health effects of testing were announced by the National Cancer Institute in August of 1997, and released in October. The study report is now available on line: National Cancer Institute Study Estimating Thyroid Doses of I-131 Received by Americans From Nevada Atmospheric Nuclear Bomb Test.

The basic finding of the report is that internal exposures to radioiodine (I-131) in fallout from continental nucelar testing was the most serious health consequence. Radioiodine concentrates in milk when consumed by cows when grazing, and then concentrates in human thyroid glands when contaminated milk is ingested. This concentration effect is especially strong in children. The NCI study estimates that the average American alive at the time received a thyroid radiation exposure of 2 rads, with some people receiving up to 300 rads. The effect of these exposures is to boost the chance of contracting thyroid cancer some time during a lifetime. This cancer is normally not very rare, and is highly treatable (as cancers go). It is possible to estimate the overall effect of the total radiation exposure of the American population. From the 380 million person-rads of total exposure roughly 120,000 extra cases of thyroid cancer can be expected to develop, resulting in some 6,000 deaths [See note]. For comparison, the worst industrial disaster in history (Bhopal, India; 3 December 1984) killed about 3000 people and injured 150,000.

No effort was made to systematically study the nationwide effects of atmospheric nuclear testing until congress ordered the study -- which was finally released 15 years later. In hearing held in September 1998, Bruce Wachholz, chief of the radiation effects branch of the National Cancer Institute, told a Senate hearing that the basic results were known as early as 1989 and a final draft report was completed in 1992 yet none of the information was made public for five more years.

nuclearweaponarchive.org...

The Nevada Test Site
en.wikipedia.org...

Everyone remember the Chernobyl meltdown? Check this:
www.martinfrost.ws...

Semipalatinsk nuclear weapons tests increased genetic mutations
www.stuk.fi...

Radiation from atom bomb testing caused mutations in 'junk DNA'
www.cbc.ca...

Intelligent reason and logic dictate that nuclear testing may have cause human/animal mutations. Perhaps these creatures are real, and that they are mutated beings. Will the animal rights people try to save them as a protected species? Will it be a crime to kill one?

And further, isn't it simple reason that radiation is the main cause of cancer in humans? I am of this thought for some time, TPTB have tried to make us think everything else causes cancer, while hiding the real cause.
What do you think, ATS?

As far as the bird hypothesis, besides owls, birds aren't nocturnal.

reply to post by nh_ee

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More then Owls are nocturnal as far as birds are concerned. Whip or wills for one (which are found throughout the Southern New Jersey area) and all manner of birds will fly at night, especially if startled or migrating.


[edit on 10-2-2010 by Helmkat]

reply to post by xynephadyn

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I always default to firmly believing these are natural, yet "undiscovered" (by main stream science), not super natural in nature. Anything of solid form is by definition natural. Unfortunately, modern main stream science is chickensh*t when it comes to cryptids, unlike the great scientists of the Rennaisance and Romantic periods. This is in spite of all the overwhelming hisdtorical and current anecdotal and sometimes even physical evidence of such creatures like Sasquatch. Even reputable and famous explorers from colonial years have noted these animals in their diaries). If it does not walk down the street in downtown Mahattan in the light of day and leave its carcass unmolested in gutter on Wall Street, it does not exist it seems.

Sure, science is happy to get wierd and occasionaly courageous with physics, but go bigger than particles into large, complex multi-cellular biology and science turns its back in fear of being labeled silly at best or risk grants, etc. The same goes for archeology (will somebody in official please answer the question of who and what and how the heck quarried and laid the Baleek stones in what is now modern Lebanon?)...

Had crytozoology one one ten thousandth the science budget of studies like the CERN project, we'd long ago had final, irrefutable evidence of many of these shy, nocturnal and clever animals. But brave people like Jeff Meldrum are doggedly blazing a trail and the preponderance of new technology (helicopter-mounted thermal FLIR systems) and thousands of trail cameras WILL eventually make the discovery conventional science is too coward to make.

reply to post by xynephadyn

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i may be chirping in prematurely without reading other comments, but that looks

like a duck or chicken, and its on a farm.

I would have expected a mothman like figure instead.

Still, i do like that show.

[edit on 2/10/2010 by drphilxr]

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