"Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited . . . when modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them."
Socrates

Wow, I'm just chatty Cathy tonight, I have something to say about darn near every thread.

To your OP. music does have a huge effect on me. When I am stressed I pop in the headphones and listen to music. It lifts me asap. It doesn't matter if it's hardcore or soft, I downloaded each song because it had a happy memory to me at some point. So even if it's "Let the bodies hit the floor", I still get happy when I hear it, because it was played a lot when I was sunning at the pool and my kids would dance around to it. That being said, there are other ways to control someone's mind. To an extent that is.

Rational thought and expert presentation. My boyfriend is having major issues with his teenage daughter. Of course she is the typical teen (ie, selfish, mouthy, stubborn), but she has taken this behavior overboard and my boyfriend is at his wits end. I AM AT MY WITS END, but rational thought, and speaking clearly and concise, presenting my thoughts in a reasonable manner, and listening and answering in an appropriate way has totally changed his outlook on the situation. He now has a better hold of what she's doing, he just doesn't know how to change it. But I have gotten him from freaking out, to a better place just by talking to him, but not just communication.......he has to believe what I am saying, and that is all in the presentation.

Mind control, or soothing voice with rational thought, presented in a way that he understands???

I really did enjoy your links though. The music one really sticks with me.

Well, this is a very broad subject, but , the truth is that advertising works and that is just one facet of mind-thought control. I have seen people who either knowingly or unconsciously use NLP to get just about anything they want from consumers. The question is that once someone understands how to manipulate or control another through psychological or subliminal techniques; will they use it for the better good? It works both ways.

Yes we've all heard the phrase, "With great power comes great responsibility.". Truthfully i have read to much of the techniques i am talking about and tempation has given way to use in a number of situation. Though i try to avoid using what i know. Once you learn ti use nlp and various tools of psychological manipulation it is very east to use them, even subconciously. So i totally agree with you, ogbert.

I like the mk-ultra conspiracy side of this. All of the musicians that came out of Laurel Canyon, for example. The influence of Aliester Crowley in the hippy movement and the music of the genre. And, then there is the movie, "They Live", where there is a huge mind control grid being operated by the aliens!

I fully believe that "mind-control" techniques are in use all around us every day. The biggest offender is that idiot box sitting in your living room. Ok, let me back up a second before I start sounding too crazy... I don't think it is so much mind-control as it is behavior conditioning (or are they the same thing?).

For example, if you look back on TV shows from the 50s, 60s and even 70s the men were men. There weren't any metosexual, wussified men on TV back then! Hell, even the dad on the Brady Bunch was a figure of authority at the end of the day. And those "role models", those examples carried over into real life. Now lets take a look at the "men" in TV from the last 20 years. From sitcoms to commercials men are made to look like ignorant, incompetent bafoons. A whole generation has grown up being taught that men aren't good for anything! Is it any wonder that we have so many loser D-bags out there now? Is it any wonder our children don't respect us? Is it any wonder that, after being taught our whole lives that men are stupid, men are pigs, don't fight back it never solves anything, that we turned out to be a country full of wimps and cowards??? (With a few exceptions such as the fine people on ATS )

I don't know if that was the sinister plan all along or not. It doesn't really matter now, though. It worked.

and what are you going to do about it now that your know this, apart from post it on here??? are you going to storm off to the local media outlet and reveal this awesome insight? or perhaps write a letter to the president and explain in great detail how the conspiracy works. Perhaps you could maybe give him some tips on how we could rectify the problem...

The problem with being awake is you have a responsibility to do something. I hope that now that you have made the connection you actually use this information to better your world. If you dont then there is no evolutionary point of you thinking in this manner.

Dont get me wrong i applaud your powers of observation and do agree that the population is being manipulated via subliminal methods in the form of tv radio and all other forms of communication. But i also want to remind you that now that you know its your obligation to pick a side. just make sure the side you pick has your best interests at heart..

i wish you good luck

Hello people. Sowwy there has been no reply for so long my life is very busy at the moment.

First i answer imd12c4funn's questions.

What about other wave types? : After much experimentation i have found that for some reason i just don't get as much effectiveness with the other wave forms. As to why? I have no idea and i am not afraid to say it.

Would harmonic or parametric patterns work as well on suggestivity? Or is it suggestiveness? : I think the harmonic method is more effective but that could just be mere personal opinion. Having tried both i can say that i can discern no noticeable difference.

Would a subliminal message that was recorded in a feminine voice also vary in effectiveness depending on the tonal qualities and the actual requency range?
Would say a low alto or tenor have the same results if it were a male? Would a high soprano range voice( Mariah Carey) differ as well? : Now that would have to be definitely decided upon by the psychological makeup of the subject. What their mind finds most acceptable in the format it is being used in. Their are too many variables to actually list them. The mind is a complex thing.

What about the sharpness (Fran Drescher), wraspiness - harshness (janis joplin), softness - airiness (Olivia Newton-John), as examples. : Again, i think it is based on the makeup of the persons mind.

Do the softer voices have a complacent effect? : See above.

Do the harsher voices have a confrontational effect : Ditto.

Or is it all about compressing to increase data per second and oscillation variance? : I speed up the subliminals and that increases their effect on the brain. I provided a link earlier to the subject. As per oscillation variance? Well... I use a steady tone in the binaurals if that is what you are reffering to.

Though we listen with two ears or in stereo, the image is but an effect just as with recorded sound. Does the degree of pan say with the 55, 50 - 5 hertz sine wave alter results with change in pan? or must it be equal? : Hmmm... I have tried panning effects and i just dont seem to experience the same shift of mental states as i do with a steady non panned tone.

The next part is for davesidious.

Firstly, the human brain doesn't work anything like a computer, so comparing it to one is a logical fallacy of rather gargantuan proportions. Our brains might be powerful in what they do, but I don't remember the last time my computer developed a mental illness, or suffered from dementia. Also, it's not true that we only use a small percentage of our brains. We use 100% of them. That is an old, busted, myth that has been rattling around for decades. : Provide us with links to these supposed facts of yours otherwise any further posts by you relating to my errors mean nothing to me.

And finally this next part of my response goes to TiM3LoRd...

and what are you going to do about it now that your know this, apart from post it on here??? : I am under no duress or obligation to help anyone. My research is for my own personal benefits, selfish or no. I have my reasons.

Now to continue with some things i have discovered on my own...

<<< I believe that somewhere between the frequencies of 3 to 5 hertz is a "gateway" frequency. This frequency would allow properly formatted information to be input into the human mind directly into what we call the subconcious. I am studying ways of accomplishing this. The benefits of this can be tremendous, and yes, also horrendous. Of course there will be those here that disagree with my theory. As i have actually had some success in my endeavors i don't care. I can make a file that can give 75% of those listening to it an orghasm without them touching themselves in any way. Just by sound. I'd say thats pretty good proof. I use a multilayer approach to creating a fuile of this type. Usually starting with a script that is precisely worded, A binaural tone, A ryhtmic beat track, A subliminal track, and a main vocal track. >>>

If you think people can put voices in your head, you might be right.
Quite astounding since sound work on pressure waves and electrical
sound waves are the source of mind control that is or might be
developed. The tin foil hat will not block this electrical control signal.

Oh... and i just heard this on the show Manswers on spike... Apparently one of the first frequencies we hear at birth is 333hz. Now if we take that down to a range we can use bu dividing it in half till its within the range we can use to make a file with a computer is...

5.203125hz

5hz again anyone?