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reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 06:02 PM by dalan.

Originally posted by djusdjus

Originally posted by thewind
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driving is a privilege not a right
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Sorry here, but driving is a right! That is guranteed in the "Declaration of Independence", or are you familiar with that document? This understood right was not placed directly into the constitution because it was fully understood by all who wrote the constitution at that time that this and other "unalienable" rights were guaranteed to us by the creator(God).

No it's not a right. You show me anywhere in the declaration where it says it is your right to drive a car or truck? If it's your right, why do you require a license and testing? Why do you require insurance on your vehicle?

Get yourself educated man, your ignorance is showing. You are wrong. Period. Now look it up and become enlightened to your folly.

Wrong.

Like I stated in my previous post, Americans have the right to travel. Period. The problem comes from the fact that most of us do not actually own our automobiles...

Every new vehicle made is issued a document called "The Manufacturer's Statement of Origin" or "MSO." The MSO is the "allodial title" of a vehicle, whoever possesses the MSO is the lawful owner of the automobile.

Most of us do not buy our automobiles outright and we have to go through a bank with loans. Once we do the MSO goes to the State, and the State is the lawful owner of "our" vehicles.

Since the State owns your vehicle they want to know who is using THEIR property. Hence Licensing, not to mention that annual registration comes with a fee which is a "rent/tax" for using someone else's property.

And mandatory insurance is to protect State property.

Now please answer a question for me. If I purchase a car outright with cash and I demand the MSO and receive it, thereby the car belonging SOLELY to me...and I have the RIGHT to travel. Why in the world would I have to register MY PROPERTY with the State? Let alone pay a registration fee for owning my property? The whole concept sounds like Socialism...

So maybe it is you who needs to get educated.

There is a difference between having an actual title and a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE...

One simply represents the other.

If you have a Gift Certificate do you have the "gift" or a piece of paper that represents the gift?

Exactly.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 06:20 PM by dalan.

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Why do some of you Americans blindly believe you are entitled to all the amenities of modern living as a "right" that was granted in your constitution which apparently an inordinately large amount of you have failed to read and an equally large amount of you are dimwitted in your weak attempts to interpret it.

That is a fallacy.

Our rights were not "granted" to us from the Constitution, they were listed so everyone knew what they were.

Can you not read?

The Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, That all Men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED by their CREATOR with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS...

en·dow (n-dou)
tr.v. en·dowed, en·dow·ing, en·dows
1. To provide with property, income, or a source of income.
2.
a. To equip or supply with a talent or quality: Nature endowed you with a beautiful singing voice.

LINK

See? Our rights are not "granted" to us by the Constitution, the President, a King, or any other human figure. Our rights were endowed to us by the highest authority and I dare any man to challenge that.

Oh, by the way, we do have the right to travel and if we OWN our vehicle/property with the MSO we DO NOT need to have it registered. Period.

I can tell that you are not from America, are you British? Your subservient, and socialistic nature is showing.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 07:40 PM by Aeons

"We" made the roads. "We" made the roads on the taxes paid by tax payers, that we kindly made so that companies and industry might be able to better work. We own them. We are the government. Industry uses the roads on our time and on our will, not the other way around. For our convenience.

To pay the government for toll roads is to pay ourselves for what we made for us.

The Rothschild's can stick it.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 08:53 PM by liketheplague

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What person has a 50 mile commute to work every day? I'm not entirely sure of the Km -> Mile change, but that's about 45 minutes to an hour of solid driving. Not getting stuck in traffic or sitting at traffic lights. That person may as well move. I can understand hour long commutes in heavily populated cities due to congested traffic. I can't understand living a ridiculously far distance from your work place. That's like an entire other city, with towns between.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 09:31 PM by thewind

reply to post by liketheplague

What person has a 50 mile commute to work every day?
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My wife! She drives 52 miles one way to work every day.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 09:39 PM by thewind

reply to post by moobaawoof

The other fact is, this quote from the article is a lie:
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Where that fiber optic cable is installed, look around for small antennas. They are there and you just probably not seeing them. When they installed the last 30 miles of fiber optics here on I-77, they installed those same kind of antennas every 1.5 miles. They are about 15 inches tall and are usally mounted in the median on a small pole. These antennas collect signals from your black box that are installed on the newer cars, and the gps systems.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 09:49 PM by thewind

reply to post by dalan.

Most of us do not buy our automobiles outright and we have to go through a bank with loans. Once we do the MSO goes to the State, and the State is the lawful owner of "our" vehicles.
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Well, the vehicle I own is not owned by the state, and I have it financed! I have seen my title at the bank who is holding it, and that is Wells Fargo! What makes a person have to obey state laws is when they agree with the state to obtain a driver's license. You are willing to forfeit your rights instead of going to court to battle the local gov't.

The issue of having to have insurance exists because if you have a wreck and are at fault, then you are "infringing" on another person's rights to travel! But you are not legally required acording to the DOI, to have a driver's license, tags, and pay all those ridiculous taxes every year just to drive your car. THis has been already proven in quite a few cases.

reply posted on 11-2-2010 @ 10:59 PM by dalan.

reply to post by thewind

Well, the vehicle I own is not owned by the state, and I have it financed! I have seen my title at the bank who is holding it, and that is Wells Fargo! What makes a person have to obey state laws is when they agree with the state to obtain a driver's license. You are willing to forfeit your rights instead of going to court to battle the local gov't.

Right, which goes back to the concept of the "fourteenth amendment citizen" which has been used against from our own ignorance.

The contract makes the law correct?

And we have the right to contract infinitely.

I wonder why we aren't taught these things....

reply posted on 12-2-2010 @ 09:46 AM by ergonomic 531

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Regardless of the form of "leadership" that has been established, historical observation confirms! That the downturn of all societies, or "attempts at civilization" are collapsed as soon as the "rulers" gain the power, and or enactment of unlimited taxation. ergonomic 531

reply posted on 13-2-2010 @ 10:07 PM by thewind

reply to post by dalan.

The contract makes the law correct?
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The contract doesn't necessarilly make the law, for if it did, then you'd have to sign a contract with the state also when you signed the final part of your auto loan. I have never seen an automobile loan contract from any bank or finance company that said the state was appilicable for anything other than a sales tax.

reply posted on 13-2-2010 @ 11:27 PM by disfugured

Never thought I'd resort to this.... but its time to purchase a ****ing horse.

reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 12:00 AM by dalan.

Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by dalan.

The contract makes the law correct?
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The contract doesn't necessarily make the law, for if it did, then you'd have to sign a contract with the state also when you signed the final part of your auto loan. I have never seen an automobile loan contract from any bank or finance company that said the state was appilicable for anything other than a sales tax.

The "contract" with the State is made when you take out an Auto Loan and the bank sends the MSO (Manufacturer's Statement of Origin) to the State.

The MSO is the "allodial Title" for your car, which if the State is in possession of it, is how they can dictate what you can or cannot do with a "motor vehicle."

Its technically their property (yes, even if the State did not pay for it, which does constitute robbery...but you're unknowingly agreeing to these terms just by taking out an auto loan).

At least in Ohio...

reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 12:11 AM by thewind

reply to post by dalan.

Like I said in a few posts ago concerning my title to my blazer. Wells Fargo has it, I have seen it, and I was the one who actually sent it to them because they accidentally put it into the folder of purchase when we bought the vehicle. I called them at their branch office and told them what happened, and mailed the title to them. Since then, the title remains in my folder at their office. That's all I can tell ya on that.

reply posted on 21-2-2010 @ 07:35 PM by TheInfoTechWarrior

Yes well this is true the Rothschilds pretty much run the western economies and dictate to governments of the day. They do it in Australia aswell. They'll most likely introduce a carbon tax where we as drivers will probably have to pay by the mile. So when you pay your renewal for your registraion they'll check how many miles you have done from the last time you have driven. Then implement a tax that you will have to pay. It's getting insane.

reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 03:57 PM by Elbasilisk

reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 04:26 PM by daddio

Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by dalan.

Like I said in a few posts ago concerning my title to my blazer. Wells Fargo has it, I have seen it, and I was the one who actually sent it to them because they accidentally put it into the folder of purchase when we bought the vehicle. I called them at their branch office and told them what happened, and mailed the title to them. Since then, the title remains in my folder at their office. That's all I can tell ya on that.

Your disagreement is kind of funny, you are both correct on certain points. To, thewind, "The Title" is ISSUED by the State (i.e. Registered not recorded). That is the actual ownership, you are the leasee, THAT is why you must have tags on it and have a drivers license to operate it.

And yes, dalan, you are correct too about the contract. BUT, an auto is property, and therefore property rights come into effect. "The right to own property also encompasses the RIGHT to use that property and to dispose of said property at the behest of the actual owner", So long as you damage no others property and violate no others rights. NOW, if the State is the actual owner, if you have a "Title" for it, the State does in fact OWN it, then you are at the mercy of the State.

And this is all BS as far as I am concerned and that is why I filed a UCC-1 and UCC-3 to lay claim to ALL my property and I now hold the State culpable for any loss or damage. It is a Tort of Trespass to stop me or sieze my auto.

Again, the magic language. Learn it and use it. Never go to court, the judge will act as banker and not judge unless YOU invoke the judicial notice of the Judges oath of office.

Toll roads my rear, just one more way to control people who have no idea what is really going on!!!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 07:07 AM by thewind

reply to post by daddio

THAT is why you must have tags on it and have a drivers license to operate it.
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No, not according to the right to travel law. I am only required to have a license if I am "using" my vehicle to "make" a living with it. This is easily proven also. Look at the big rigs? You know, the 18 wheelers? They have to be "licensed" in each and every state they run in for applicable tax and state by state road and fuel usage taxes. Now, if I am required to have a license and tags in my own state, why wouldn't I have to purchase the "Bingo" stickers and keep them in my vehicle for the other states I travel when I go on vacation or for whatever reason I traveled out of my home state?

I'll tell ya why, it's because I have the "right" to travel, and the state I am from is illegally collecting state license and tag taxes from me because I am not using my vehicle to make a living!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 07:38 AM by andy1972

We´ve got toll roads here in Spain...and the economys still fu**ed.

Toll roads where the construction businessess owned by the Rothschilds conveniently win the contracts to bulid the thousands of toll booths....

What do the Rothschilds care for the economy.

Here are more helpful handy hints to save the US.

Share bath water
Use only one square of toilet paper
Buy national and not imported crack and cocaine.
Only invade countries that have vast natural resources to steal.
Impeach the Bush family, find them guilty and take off them every red cent they made from the invasion of Iraq.

Im sure the multi millions if not billions would be well recieved when used to rebuild America.

reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 05:36 PM by dalan.

reply to post by daddio

Again, the magic language. Learn it and use it. Never go to court, the judge will act as banker and not judge unless YOU invoke the judicial notice of the Judges oath of office.

Indeed, and that is what it comes down to. Study law and know it better than any Judge or Lawyer...we really need to be doing this.

To get anyone started I would consider reading:

Corpus Juris Secundum

The Corpus Juris Secundum is a huge series of books on Common Law, and you should be able to find all volumes in a law library.

Also:

The Common Law

It is interesting to note, Lawfully, how much power we actually have.

reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 11:18 PM by thewind

I believe I can settle this argument over the right to travel, and I will use a Washington State Supreme Court Judge's Decision to do it. Read what this Judge has to say about the "right to travel": I apologise for the ccp here folks, but this is just too important not to post!
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www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

"If ever a judge understood the public's right to use the public roads, it was Justice Tolman of the Supreme Court of the State of Washington. Justice Tolman stated:
"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133, 147.

The words of Justice Tolman ring most prophetically in the ears of Citizens throughout the country today as the use of the public roads has been monopolized by the very entity which has been empowered to stand guard over our freedoms, i.e., that of state government.

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The "most sacred of liberties" of which Justice Tolman spoke was personal liberty. The definition of personal liberty is:
"Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable." 16 C.J.S., Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987. "

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