Exposed: Naked Body Scanner Images Of Film Star Printed, Circulated By Airport Staff at Heathrow

Originally posted by Jinni

Originally posted by hotbakedtater


Here is what I could find. Does anyone know who makes these machines? I am having trouble finding that information.

I'm sure QinetiQ had originally made such machines:

www.engadget.com...

Thank you. I was surprised to run across the following information, while performing my search for qinetiq.

www.corpwatch.org...

There is a disturbing Rumsfield connection to qinetiq. #SIGH# Figures.

Looks like you, OP, and Alex Jones, despite your aggressive loud insistence that scanners are bad, may be onto something after all. I apologize for my glib response earlier.

From the article:

"A Pentagon office that claims to monitor terrorist threats to U.S. military bases in North America -- and was once reprimanded by the U.S. Congress for spying on antiwar activists -- has just awarded a multi-million dollar contract to a company that employs one of Donald Rumsfeld’s former aides. That aide, Stephen Cambone, helped create the very office that issued the contract.

On January 7, QinetiQ (pronounced “kinetic”) North America (QNA), a major British-owned defense and intelligence contractor based in McLean, Virginia, announced that its Mission Solutions Group, formerly Analex Corporation, had just signed a five-year, $30 million contract to provide a range of unspecified “security services” to the Pentagon’s Counter-Intelligence Field Activity office, known as CIFA.

According to Pentagon briefing documents, CIFA’s Directorate of Field Activities "assists in preserving the most critical defense assets, disrupting adversaries and helping control the intelligence domain.” Another CIFA directorate, the Counterintelligence and Law Enforcement Center, "identifies and assesses threats" to military personnel, operations and infrastructure from "insider threats, foreign intelligence services, terrorists, and other clandestine or covert entities," according to the Pentagon. A third CIFA directorate, Behavioral Sciences, has provided a "team of renowned forensic psychologists [who] are engaged in risk assessments of the Guantanamo Bay detainees."

The new CIFA contract with QinetiQ expands work that Analex has provided CIFA and its various directorates since 2003. Under its first contract, according to the QinetiQ website, Analex staffers were sifting through information “from traditional to non-traditional providers, ranging from unclassified through top secret classification using sophisticated information technologies and systems specifically designed by CIFA analysts.”

The CIFA contract was awarded just two months after QinetiQ hired Stephen Cambone, the former undersecretary of defense for intelligence and a longtime Rumsfeld aide, as its vice president for strategy. Cambone is the most senior of a savvy group of former high-ranking Pentagon and intelligence officials hired by QinetiQ to manage its expansion in the U.S. market. (See boxes.)

While he was at the Pentagon, Cambone oversaw CIFA and was deeply involved in the Pentagon’s most controversial intelligence programs. It was Cambone, for example, who reportedly issued orders to Major General Geoffrey Miller to soften up Iraqi prisoners for intelligence interrogators in Abu Ghraib in 2003. With Rumsfeld, he also set up a special unit within the Pentagon that alienated the CIA and the State Department by running its own covert actions without seeking input from other agencies."

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Worth a read. Gosh, imagine if Rummy has something to do with body scanners, surprise surprise.




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[edit on 10/2/2010 by Sauron]

Originally posted by Jinni
reply to post by Lillydale

 

You are polluting this thread with your nonsense rants about you telling the truth about the authenticity of this picture.

I am polluting this thread by showing the REAL PICTURE????????????

Because of that you are creating a cloud of egoistical text that adds nothing to the condemnation of the notion of scanners.

Wow. You do realize that if you want to use 50 cent words to sound more intelligent you still have to use them to make sense. What am I creating? How did I even get the power to create a cloud of anything and how can you see it from there? Anyway...nonsense.

Because of the text cloud you create it is hard for people to see what the real problems are (other than authenticity of the pictures).

Because I presented the truth, it confuses people from the real problem? Explain?

So now I think you are employing disinfo tactic number 2 - swamp a thread with nonsense so it becomes hard to see what the problems arw.

Just a general question to everyone else reading this thread. Can anyone else tell me why posting the real pictures and pointing out hoaxed pics is a bad thing? I would really like to know just how many people here have a problem with the truth being presented in a discussion. Thanks.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


i don't know why you typed that. i agree with you. re-read my post, maybe.

Originally posted by Lillydale
Just a general question to everyone else reading this thread. Can anyone else tell me why posting the real pictures and pointing out hoaxed pics is a bad thing? I would really like to know just how many people here have a problem with the truth being presented in a discussion. Thanks.

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings.

Posting truth and honesty no matter if it is about pictures or whatever is always the right thing to do.

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

reply to post by expat2368


you're just like a blissfully ignorant pig who will easily be lead to the slaughterhouse.
i've seen a lot of ignorant hateful posts, but yours is one of the lowest i've ever seen.

Originally posted by Jinni

I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings.

Posting truth and honesty no matter if it is about pictures or whatever is always the right thing to do.

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

You did not hurt my feelings but you did just avoid the longer post that was directed directly at you with some questions for you. Nice job in dodging my questions just to take the time to be patronizing and rude. I hope it makes you feel good about what you do.

reply to post by Lillydale


I did not respond because I agree with you too.

I apologise for my misunderstanding of what you were trying to do

I'm sorry please forgive me.

Will you forgive me?

[I'm not being sarcastic].

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Jinni]

reply to post by Jinni


I am confused. Are you saying you did not get what I was trying to do until after so many posts? I was upfront about it and all I have done since then is reinforce my original point. What brought you around to realizing that all I was doing was injecting the truth into the discussion? Why do I feel like you are still being sarcastic anyway? You get me all riled up and then just switch gears all of a sudden with no explanation? I am lost and sorry I even came into this thread now.

reply to post by Lillydale


Accept the mans apology, dammit.

Originally posted by T0by
reply to post by Lillydale

 

Accept the mans apology, dammit.

It is about 3 pages too late. I never changed what I was saying so to claim I finally got through to him and now he is sorry is not registering here. Basically he called me a disinfo agent over and over and over and then apologized all for the same thing when I never changed ANYTHING. I do not get it so I cannot accept it. I asked him to make sense of it for me. If he is sincere, then that should be no problem. Maybe you did not take offense to him insulting me over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over but I actually did.

I don't get it why so many people get upset and offended over some stupid scanners in a forum.

Reminds me of magic. You're watching the left hand so closely to see what she is doing, that you can't even realize that the right hand is putting a finger up your a....arm (you have dirty minds).

Anyway...


1- This scanners don't have printers, and no, this is not Hollywood (or Bollywood), security personal don't take pictures of a picture in the screen.

2- Airports, especially in security, have something called protocols. You can't do what you want, and you always have to answer to someone higher than you. If you don't, you're (pardon my French) f***d. Period.

In this acting protocols, you have to make reports. Of what comes in and goes out.

People always think of terrorists, and explosives, and the world coming to an end.

...and they forget something as simple as drugs.

Anything, I mean, ANYTHING that raises the alert goes through the whole chain of command in the security.

For example (since this is not the first type of technology used) X-rays.

If you are a suspect, and they don't find anything outside of your body, they will do an X-ray on you.

You see, if nothing is accused by the officer that is LOOKING to the picture that appears, you're escorted out, the aircraft is still waiting for you (usually this is fast).

But, in case something is detected, that X-ray will go to the senior officer present in the room. If he agrees, that X-ray will go to the higher officer, and then you get arrested, they call the cops, and so on.

Body scanners are even simpler to use. You enter, you stop, you turn once or twice, and off you go. On another room (I think its on the control room, and you just have the basic controls in front of you and the monitor), with no view to you (and no, you can't also know the name. You can't find out anything from the person being scanned. Not even in normal operations, let alone a freaking scanner).

To you...you just passed two walls of steel

To them....they saw a blurry shape of a body, with a number on the top right of the screen (telling them to which station it belongs to).

No face, no details. You don't even get to see the hair.

And btw, the pictures (I actually believe its a "movie" of the person rotating) isn't stored. At all.

If you are cleared, the file goes down and the next person is scanned.

If you are not cleared and they find something, they don't need the scan as evidence, because, YOU have the evidence strapped to your body.


Yes, we do have stupid people and frustrated (at life) people in airports. Some even steal stuff out of the bags while putting them on the plane (even from us, pilots).

But that doesn't mean all of them are morons and criminals.

For everything you do, there is a report. It gets to an annoying stage. NOBODY, being moron or a good professional, wants to do more paper-work than what we already have to do.


This propaganda idea that everyone is going to end up on nasty.facepalm.com (made up link, don't click it. lol), and that every child is in danger, is just...let's face it, ridiculous.

If you don't agree, if you don't like it. Fine. Reject the scanner, ask for another security measure, and do your trip.

If you don't like it either, don't fly.

reply to post by Lillydale

Good for you, I would not accept the apology either. If anyone is a disinfo agent it is Jinni. There is a reason he/she does not like the scanners and wants them ripped out and I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with invasion of anyones privacy.

Also in case anyone has not heard about it yet, the 737-800 that went down a few days ago was taken down by an onboard bomb. They tried to cover it up but the word got out. The wife of a French ambassador was onboard along with several other targets.

I am for more body scanners everywhere and if it keeps all the Islamics off airplanes cause someone might see under their robes..so much the better. I have nothing to hide when it comes to being able to fly and get where I am going without worry of being blown out of the sky.

reply to post by expat2368

he/she does not like the scanners and wants them ripped out and I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with invasion of anyones privacy.

Although I'm not against or in favor of the scanners, I do understand why some people don't like them.

And since I'm also a father, although I don't mind letting my kid pass in the scanners, I also understand the fear of something not so good happening.


Freedom is a endless loop. You and me, and everybody else, has the freedom to think in different ways.

You think it's okay. You have that right.
He/she (like many others) don't feel okay with it. And they also have that right.

Democracy is a lot about finding that middle area where everyone is fine.


Honestly, I think that there are way too many propaganda voodoos around this scanners, but I do understand peoples fears.

I am for more body scanners everywhere and if it keeps all the Islamics off airplanes cause someone might see under their robes..so much the better.

Islam and terrorism are not synonyms.

In recent years, yeah. Many of the terrorist activity has been around the Middle East and in Islamic countries.

But, with all due respect, lets keep racism out of the equation here.

You may not have realized it, because they didn't attack the US, but there are as many, if not more (not so much today, gladly) terrorists in Eastern Europe, just to name an example. Same with some countries in Africa.

If we only keep focus on the racist part of this whole problem, we are going to face a lot more deaths and damage when people realize that they are not the only ones "chasing after us".

Domestic or not.

reply to post by Tifozi


Tifozi said:
"Islam and terrorism are not synonyms.

In recent years, yeah. Many of the terrorist activity has been around the Middle East and in Islamic countries.

But, with all due respect, lets keep racism out of the equation here. "


Maybe I am confused about the definition of racism. Islam is not a race it is a quasi-religion which breeds violence, death and destruction. There is nothing racist about my comments. If one wants to use a broad brush and decide that being racist is the same as disagreeing with someone's belief system then it might apply but then everyone becomes "racist".

Fact is, were it not for Islamic terrorism we would not be going through this level of intense screening to get on an airplane.

reply to post by expat2368


Yes, it's racism.

You're saying "Islam". Well, it doesn't state your religion in your passport, does it? and you don't have something on your face telling others that you are Islamic, unless you tattoo it, right?

So, let's just put the cards on the table, and say that you are talking about arabs.

Islam is not a race it is a quasi-religion which breeds violence, death and destruction.

Pardon me, but that comment is simply ignorant.

The Quran spreads as much violence as the Bible, or any religious book for that matter. That's how the "invite" people in... They are generic, vague, and abroad with their topics.

Islam is not a terrorist hotline.

I do think that religion is bs, quoting one of my idols, George Carlin.

But I also respect peoples beliefs and origins. Not every Muslim, Arab, Middle Eastern person is a terrorist. THAT is racism, and to have e preconceived idea that a person that comes from those origins is more criminal than me and you, is just wrong.

I'm not saying that it isn't a fact that most recent acts of terrorism have come from the Middle East. They have. But they are not the only ones... And they are not the only ones putting lifes in danger.

Want an example? Spain. Spain has (for DECADES) a serious problem with terrorism. Do you know from where? ETA. In their own country.

And I'm sure you are aware of another case like the IRA, right?

So, imagine that we ignore anyone as a possible threat, and just look out for those islamic folks.

What do you end up with? Another terrorist, that isn't islamic, blowing a plane, or something up, just because he can.

Oklahoma wasn't that long ago my friend.

[edit on 11/2/10 by Tifozi]

reply to post by expat2368


Do not get me wrong. I am not for the scanners either. For one thing, what are the health risks involved with these machines? How safe is being x-rayed like that? How safe is standing next to the machine all day long? I do not believe anyone has taken any time to determine the health risks that may be presented by the radiation these machines are giving off. I think it is scary that growing children are going to be subjected to these machines as a whim of their ignorant parents. We all know radiation + developing bodies = bad news in the future for them and where are the studies to show these machines are safe at all?

With that said, I just believe if people are going to discuss the ramifications of the images themselves, they should be using the actual images to discuss it.

I also believe that most people that willingly pay those prices to deal with those airlines are idiots but that is purely a personal feeling. No offense to anyone flying, just that you can not convince me to go through that crap and I have been saying that since long before 9/11 and advanced security, shoe removals, and the new scanners.

I am for more body scanners everywhere and if it keeps all the Islamics off airplanes cause someone might see under their robes.

This part here is what scares me but I have already gone around in these circles in another thread about this same topic. How do you expect to know who is a Muslim and who is not? Islam is not a race or physical trait so I would be thrilled if you have some new way of screening people that would determine religion. Please let me know what it is.

[edit on 2/11/10 by Lillydale]

Originally posted by expat2368
Maybe I am confused about the definition of racism. Islam is not a race it is a quasi-religion which breeds violence, death and destruction.

Quasi? There are more Muslims on this planet than any other religious belief. The number one religion on the planet is a "quasi-religion?" I guess all the Catholic pedophile priests make Catholicism a qasi-religion too then?

Don't get me wrong. I am not looking to argue with you, just understand you better.

[edit on 2/11/10 by Lillydale]

reply to post by Tifozi


Wow, that is really interesting (I mean that). But I do want to ask how do you know this stuff.
I mean, I know you mentioned you are an airline pilot and I guess you alluded to the fact that you've seen these things in the course of your job. But because the subject of these scanners is so weighted and the controversy involved, I would really appreciate details of how you know so much about these things.
Your comments seem tempered and reasonable, so I hope you don't feel I'm challenging you in some aggressive way. I'm not, I just want to know.


I wonder, does the operator have something in front of them like this:

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Because that looks like a computer communicating with the body scanner over a network and that could be a concern.

Or is that photo fake? I got it from here:
www.sodahead.com...


**Just editing to add that I have a Dell Optiplex computer at work like the TSA officer in the above photo is using. And I have to point out that additional to the ethernet port on the network adapter it does have a serial port and several USB ports in stock configuration. So if the photo above is legit, then it is possible that a computer and body scanner could be standalone and not part of a network. That does seem unlikely to me, but it is certainly possible. I believe that Tifozi will be able to clear this up, if he doesn't mind.**

[edit on 11/2/2010 by Recouper]

All these Germans must be Islamic terrorists who want to ban the scanners for nefarious purposes:

www.dailymail.co.uk...