It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I hope she gets her divorce.

This kind of stuff is wrong on every level and it makes me cringe to think that people in this world are so cruel. Wasn't the exact same thing going on in Europe for centuries with the addition of incest at the highest levels of society? Sometimes its hard not to support depopulation efforts, just need bullets and bombs that kill only the cruel and willfully ignorant.

[edit on 2/9/2010 by budaruskie]

Originally posted by moocowman

the females are considered mere chattel then marrying these children is merely institutionalized pedophilia.

That's exactly what it is. I really cannot believe that we are even discussing this in today's day and age. The only things that are progressive in Arab countries are those things which are westernized. Otherwise it's a world caught in the dark ages.

If I'm honest, I'm not at this point sure whether the Koran instructs the age of the girls to be married but it is quite clear that the Prophet Mohamed set a precedent which to my mind makes Mohamed a pedophile.

I think you are sure... and it's patently obvious that the attitude toward this behavior is, "If it's good enough for Mohamed, it's good enough for me".

So... it's not only institutionalized, it's religiously indoctrinated and if Allah didn't smile upon it, they wouldn't do it. Simple!

IRM

Seriously? This is insane.

It was reported locally that the marriage was sealed with a dowry of 85,000 riyals (£14,500) and consummated.

Utterly disgusting.

I hope she gets the divorce. I think he should be jailed for life. Married or not that is sick.

Raist

What is truely unfortionate is the lack of rights women have in the Middle Eastern countries. If it would have happened here (hypothetically) she would take him for everything down to his walker. But due to where it is, she will probably have to pay him to leave the marrage...

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If Saudi's uphold such barbaric practices, then they are all disgusting sick perverts. I don't care how PC it is to accept another's customs. When those customs include acts that anywhere on earth would land you in pedojail, there is no political correctness in that, that is called agreeing with it!!

What a bunch of sick disgusting perverted old men and sick customs. No wonder so many Americans are prejudiced against people from the Middle East. 90 lashes for a cell phone, buried alive for daring to speak to a boy, being forced to have SEX with an eighty year old scum bucket pedophile at 12 is not excusable!!!! There is only one word for this,



SICK.

Just a curious thought....weren't there child marriages in the Middle Ages in the West? Marriage as a means of power and wealth, not for love.

Perhaps in the evolution of humanity, there is a developmental timeline, and viewing marriage as a union of love is more, for lack of a better word, "progressive?"

Or perhaps thats just a really retarded brain fart after a long day of work. IDK.

Either way, I feel for the girl.

I had a History teacher a couple years back who told me that she was legally married at the age of 12 to her husband. She was only in her late 30's so this must have been in the early '80s that this happened. She went on to say that her neise also got married at the age of 13 legally. It can happen even here in USA, but both parties must agree to it and be signed by both parents of both child. Someone over the age of 18 can even marry a 12 year old with these laws.

Other than the disturbing point of the story, may I point out what was also disturbing. It appears international groups are now allowed to get involved in the legal process of another country, while I agree with their reasoning I don't agree with their abilities to do so. I would not be suprised if the only reason KSA signs into law you must be 18 to get married is because the UN threatened them.

I personally say that when we established universal suffrage this should go for everything ranging from drinking, smoking, driving, working, parenting, marrying, divorcing, and everything else that legal adults shold be able to do should be allowed at 18. That is when you become an adult so why not give them 100% rights as adults to make their own choices.
EXAMPLE: USA the drinking age is 21 in all states. If you are an adult at 18 why would you have to wait 3 years to legally drink? It's just stupid.

I constantly see these threads were people bash the sexual practices of other countries.

The 8 year old was a little ridiculous. 12 is young for my taste, but let's not forget that 12 was common here in the US less than 100 years ago. 15 is still perfectly legal in most cases!

I work for Child Support Enforcement and we have a conundrum of policy. A 15 year old can be the legal guardian of a baby, and yet they cannot speak for themselves legally regarding any contracts or decision making???? They can solely make decisions for a baby that they cannot make for themselves???

Anyway, 12 year old and 80 year old seems ridiculous at first glance but who are we to draw the deciding line. Most would think that 16 and 17 would be ok, or 17 and 18, but I know of cases where men were arrested and parents were split up because a court decided that this was pedophilia?

What about 80 and 20? Legal, but sickening.

The point is, that unless this is my daughter or sister, I really have no right to dictate how someone else should act.

What if she was 20, and he was 30, but he paid $100,000 dowry. Would that make it ok because of their ages or would the dowry still make it sickening?

It isn't so simple as the modern press and headline seekers would like for it to be.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

I work for Child Support Enforcement and we have a conundrum of policy. A 15 year old can be the legal guardian of a baby, and yet they cannot speak for themselves legally regarding any contracts or decision making???? They can solely make decisions for a baby that they cannot make for themselves???

This is not entirely true. Someone who has birthed or sired a child has legally become emancipated as an adult.

In cases of child rape or incest, the resulting offspring usually becomes a ward of the court and the molested minor has a court-appointed guardian until the age of maturity (18) in which case emancipation does not apply.

I went to a school with a girl that said her mother got married at 13. Years later I was talking to her brother and he was saying that his father was old when he was born and died while he was still young. I told him that I thought his sister said that her mother got married when she was 13. He said that she was and his father was 42. They lived happily together until he died. The age difference is not as important as how they feel about each other. Other countries allow 12 year olds to marry legally. Face it, how many 80 year old men do you know that can have sex?

Originally posted by whitewave

Originally posted by getreadyalready

I work for Child Support Enforcement and we have a conundrum of policy. A 15 year old can be the legal guardian of a baby, and yet they cannot speak for themselves legally regarding any contracts or decision making???? They can solely make decisions for a baby that they cannot make for themselves???

This is not entirely true. Someone who has birthed or sired a child has legally become emancipated as an adult.

In cases of child rape or incest, the resulting offspring usually becomes a ward of the court and the molested minor has a court-appointed guardian until the age of maturity (18) in which case emancipation does not apply.

Wrong. Sorry, but I deal with it dozens of times per day. The State of Florida doesn't recognize someone under the age of 18 as an adult when it comes to contracts. Child Support is a contract, and these poor girls are having to act as the legal guardian of a child, while at the same time they can't speak for themselves regarding child support from the father. They have to have a parent or guardian speak for them. If there is no parent or guardian, the court appoints a representative for them.

Let's recap: A 15 year old girl can decide the fate of her child, make health decisions, testify in custody hearings, make legal decisions, etc. BUT..... she cannot even talk on the phone to my office, because she is not an adult, and we have to speak to her legal guardian.

Our legal system is a mess!! If this same 15 year old were to commit a crime, she would probably be tried as an adult! She can't talk to one of my agents on the phone, but she can be sentenced to life in prison or worse?

I'm getting dizzy on my soap box, better step down!