ALERT!!!! InvAID: 140+ (and growing) Articles on The Ongoing Militarization of Haiti

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ALERT!!!!

I have a relative in a DMAT team. I've spoken with her extensively about the situation, and I'll relay some of her opinions on the matter.

Her overall reaction to everything I've read about and described to her is basically, "yeah, that's pretty normal." When I described reports of food relief trucks with an armed escort unloading food, and then loading it back up and driving away without giving any away, her response was "Oh, yeah, that can happen if they're concerned about looting." When I described the US military turning away Doctors without Boarders and refusing to allow their supply planes to land, her response was "Yes, I'm familiar with DwB. Turning away supply planes is not uncommon. Probably just a logistics problem. Too many planes already, and they couldn't accomodate more." When I described the US military completely occupying all sea and air ports, her reaction was "yes, ths US comes in and gives order to these things. If they don't like it, then maybe we should just leave and let everyone else deal with it." At one point, she even volunteered discussion about burying people in mass graves, because apparently that's also "fairly normal."

These are the words of a DMAT nurse. How do we react to this? I'm not sure. Some of it seems very practical. I mean...if you have hundreds of thousands of dead bodies laying around...yes, it makes a lot of sense to bury them as quickly and efficiently as possible to prevent the spread of disease. As to the military occupation and supply train issues...to me it seems like the people in charge are simply doing a bad job. But from talking to her I get the impression that it's completely typical of relief efforts that the people in charge to do a really bad job. But she doesn't seem to perceive it as "doing a bad job" so much as "hey, we're in the trenches here, you people don't know what you're talking about. You're quick to point out that an extra 100,000 people died because our relief efforts were too slow, but what about the 100,000 people who didn't die because our relief efforts were fast enough? Remember, we didn't have to go at all."

If the US military were occupying Haiti with intent to stay, I suspect she would see that as a good thing. Her attitude seems to be that the US is the only group capable of dealing with this sort of thing, and however bad at it we might be, US help is better than no help at all.

These are her thoughts, not mine.

I'll be honest, what really made me say "Hmmm" was how extremely hard they pushed for everyone to donate to the red cross. Text 90999 to haiti or something like that.. damn, see? It's imprinted into my brain!

I have no problem with charity and endorse humanitarian efforts...

All I'm saying is struck me as odd that they were pushing sooooooo hard for you to text. All forms of our media were doing this.

Anyone else think that was odd?

(If you want to make this post about me being a scrooge towards Haiti donations, go ahead but that's not what I'm talking about here.)

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I SURE WOULD especially if my country was one of the most impovershed nations in the world and a country where the people illegally immigrate to on a regular basis has come to them to help. I think id be quite happy with the USA coming to my town to save my as. from TOTAL anarchy.
you have heard of the haitian refugees trying to get to america the land of the free right. ??? you know the place most immigrated to in the world but hey we are evil right???

It's important to understand that handing out aid is not as easy as walking into a neighborhood and asking everyone to get into a line.

Had the US not secured an airport, people would realize that is where the aid is coming in and it would be overrun by hungry, scared people. Also, the airport can only accommodate so much traffic. Before the US secured the Port-au-Prince airport it was a mess. Link Imagine going to any airport to fly to a vacation destination. When you arrive at the airport you will find that planes are arriving and departing in a vary controlled, organized manner. The same must hold true for a situation in Haiti.

When distributing aid many factors must be considered. You can't just drive out into the middle of a crowd and start giving away things. A situation such as this one calls for a strategic, long lasting method of distributing aid. There are many questions that must be answered.

What is the best way of distributing aid to the greatest amount of people?

If you can't distribute aid to everyone, who gets aid?

What is the safest manner of distributing aid?

How do you insure that the aid is not taken (by gangs) from the people who need it?

These are a few of the many questions which must be answered. Then, once these questions are answered, we must be able to do the job which needs to be done. It's not an easy task, however, the US and a number of other countries have stepped up to carry out this task.

From what I have read, many people believe that aid can magically be delivered to those who need it without complications. Many of you have never stepped out of the controlled environments of stability which you have grown up in.

[edit on 9-2-2010 by Styki]

Originally posted by djusdjus
Ok first off:

a) Military troops are the most capable and ready to go at any point of time ergo it is they who are the logical choice to send as rapid responders.

b) Miltary Organizations have the transportation that can carry the required supplies ready to go in less than 15 minutes. There is NO civil organization taht can do this.

c) Haiti was a desperate hell hole BEFORE this earthquake. Rife with poverty and crime filled with corruption, how else will order be maintained during this crisis?

I think that too many are all too willing to cast a disparaging eye on the services provided by military organizations. They have the equipment, resources and training to deal with this.

What do you suggest? Let's send baptist alarmist reactionary baby thieves in to help out? Let's send Church folks?

The military is the first responder to any major disaster, get used to it because that's what you pay for when you pay your taxes and better to be in the disaster relief business as opposed to the bombing and killing business. I think it's a much better call of duty to do this stuff with our armed forces.

Hello,
The way you put it, I agree.
However, is what is being claimed by the media actually taking place? I'm still reading the OP's links and finding things unacceptable. A military should bring honor, and decency while it serves it's proclaimed agenda. Is Haiti a sovereign nation? They're getting beat-up for starving, rather than being fed; aided.

Originally posted by Archirvion
reply to post by star in a jar

 

WWIII is starting soon,most likely this year so Us\Britain needs the shore\gold\ect whatever they may use in south america.

I'm also thinking along the same line of it.

Obama/GWBush/Clinton was also a spear-tip on asking for nations to donate to haiti right?

Now they have
1) The ARMY
2) Money (from donations from all over)
3) Medicine (donations)
4) Food (How many millions of pounds, how many years can the elites and top dogs feed on these canned foods)?
5) Local supply of oil to field army

Haiti's infrastructure sucks, but South America is supposed to be pretty safe from the supposed 2012 catastrophy, so it could stand to reason it's a good place to stage a base.

All my own speculations! Sure the US have enough stockpiles of ammo, food and medicines for it's army usage, and Haiti's force aren't too numerous to spearhead a WW3, so on the other hand, it could be all in the name of relief.

However I'm still skeptical of the ultimate plan.

reply to post by Monts

Really good post and link, a lot of reading to catch up on.

S & F.

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the only thing sinister going on in Haiti is the BS rumors of the US invading Haiti. There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

Well think about what we already know. The NWO creates a terrorist threat in order to justify occupying countries in the Middle East to have permanent bases and for oil.

I am a firm believer that HAARP is a weapon and is much more powerful than they lead it to be and used for malicious acts such as weather modification.

With that in mind another large oil bearing country is Venezuela. The US cannot outright waltz into that country so what do they do? Problem-Reaction by creating a blanket relief aid mission by means of an artificial earthquake in order to justify putting troops in the country. [url=http://www.caribpro.com/Caribbean_Map/!Caribbean_MAP.gif]Map of Caribbean, pretty nice real estate for a fight against Venezuela. I believe in helping a country in need, but an excess of 20,000 troops and only a small percentage of people are being aided in a time of desperation is not helping. There NWO people are slipping and making it obvious for the people who know what to look for and understand some of the techniques these assholes are capable of.

I might not be 100% accurate, but even if 10% is true that still means something is wrong in a major way. Something to think about.

What does everyone else think? Possible?

Originally posted by intelgurl
reply to post by Monts

 

There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

You're probably right, there's nothing IN Haiti that the USA want.... But does not stop it from being a prime strategic location to keep an eye on Colombia, Cuba and Venezuala.... get your map out and check for yourself.

This must be proof that Obama hates black people more than Bush.

Originally posted by ImaNutter
I'll be honest, what really made me say "Hmmm" was how extremely hard they pushed for everyone to donate to the red cross. Text 90999 to haiti or something like that.. damn, see? It's imprinted into my brain!

I have no problem with charity and endorse humanitarian efforts...

All I'm saying is struck me as odd that they were pushing sooooooo hard for you to text. All forms of our media were doing this.

Anyone else think that was odd?

(If you want to make this post about me being a scrooge towards Haiti donations, go ahead but that's not what I'm talking about here.)

No it's not odd. We have the technology that can enable us to raise funds quickly in the face of a crisis. This technology has not been as widely available before and only in the last few years has it come to a point where it can be implemented quickly for this type of thing.

So No, it's not odd, it's good!

Also, I am kind of stumped as to why people think rescuing an entire nation that has barely any infrastructure to begin with would be anything close to orderly or easy.

It's a ridiculous assumption and remember, no one had to go there in the first place. We could have all just let Haiti continue to rot and continue to wallow in despair upon despair.

The big question is what do we do with her afterwards? Do we bring them back to a level of where they were at? Where most of the country lived in handmade tin or plywood shacks and most of the people live in abject poverty or practice meager subsistence living?

Haiti is a poorly run country to begin with. Rife with corruption and overwhelmed with poverty.

I fail to see how giving help and rendering aid as much as we are all able to is in any way a bad thing. there is a lot of chaos and trying to organize it logistically is difficult and who has the job description of "disaster relief logistics officer?" anyway?.

we do what we can.

I personally don't think Haiti is capable of independence. As a country they have dismally failed at it ever since they were given independence. They can't pay their debt and have to have it relieved. they can't get their population working and they can't get infrastructure or education and helathcare working properly.

It is one of the most poorly run countries in the western hemisphere. If not for help and handouts, they would all be dead.

I read some of this thread yesterday, a little just now. I did not read it all.

There is a conspiracy against Haiti. There has been for the last couple hundred years. Research the factual history.

The situation on the ground right now is terrible. It is a crime. The AID is NOT getting to the people. It is sitting all over the airport under guard. There is no place for planes because of this. The only planes in and out are military and a certain Middle Eastern country. The people are NOT out of control, rioting and looting. When recue workers were there from other popular countries, they were all photo ops, as they left when the sun went down. Leaving the locals to continue with thier bare hands. Any unpopular countries local to the area who were providing real emergency AID were kicked out when Uncle Sam got settled in.

All of the above is first hand info from my father, who was on the ground in Haiti and witnessed this, and many other things I cannot repeat. There is a boat load of crap going down over there that is simply not being told. Those 10 trying to steal kids were only the ones that got caught. It is crazy over there.

The only buildings left standing are those that are very old concrete and wood structures. The only buildings that burned were critical government buildings which held vital records.

The video attatched is a short compilation of many hours my father shot. The audio track is him walking through the neighborhood recording the songs the people sing everynight, throughout the night. The video is of the destruction and shows how the people have organized themselves awaiting help that most likely wont arrive.

some kind of system error borked the original post.


[edit on 10-2-2010 by mantic]

Originally posted by intelgurl
reply to post by Monts

 

the only thing sinister going on in Haiti is the BS rumors of the US invading Haiti. There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

Oil in Haiti - Economic Reasons for the UN/US occupation

Google Search: Oil Haiti

Please refer to article link above, one of many using the google search terms, oil haiti. Once you have perused them, please return with updated opinion.

Thank you

When you say things are going on you cannot repeat that pegs my BS meter I guess I'm getting old and catch stuff like that pretty easy now days. The links to Hati oil are nothing to be taken seriously just more conspirsy sites and blogs no facts

Originally posted by mikellmikell
When you say things are going on you cannot repeat that pegs my BS meter I guess I'm getting old and catch stuff like that pretty easy now days. The links to Hati oil are nothing to be taken seriously just more conspirsy sites and blogs no facts

Things I refer to as "cannot repeat" are things of the gory and disturbing. Of death and mutilation and lack of compassion by those who are alleged to care.
I will assume that you thought I was referring to wild conspiracy theory crap. No, non of that. Just people being starved and deprived of medical supplies, of people dying for absolutely no other reason that politics.

the website in the OP isn't working for me

The people that control this world are appearing to be more and more detactached, who would allow death and starvation just to fulfil an agenda? do these people have a conscience? do they have a soul? sometimes I wonder.

Peacex

Good thread OP! S&F for you! The US is looking other sources of oil and mineral wealth for those of you wanting to debunk all the info about Haiti's natural resources sholud bare in mind those geological and natural resource maps came from the Geology department of UT and was sponsored by several of the major oil companies here and around the world they want to install a "friendly" government in the country in more blunt terms they want a subservient government that's even more indebted to the US then they were before.