ALERT!!!! InvAID: 140+ (and growing) Articles on The Ongoing Militarization of Haiti, page 4

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ALERT!!!!

I have a relative in a DMAT team. I've spoken with her extensively about the situation, and I'll relay some of her opinions on the matter.

Her overall reaction to everything I've read about and described to her is basically, "yeah, that's pretty normal." When I described reports of food relief trucks with an armed escort unloading food, and then loading it back up and driving away without giving any away, her response was "Oh, yeah, that can happen if they're concerned about looting." When I described the US military turning away Doctors without Boarders and refusing to allow their supply planes to land, her response was "Yes, I'm familiar with DwB. Turning away supply planes is not uncommon. Probably just a logistics problem. Too many planes already, and they couldn't accomodate more." When I described the US military completely occupying all sea and air ports, her reaction was "yes, ths US comes in and gives order to these things. If they don't like it, then maybe we should just leave and let everyone else deal with it." At one point, she even volunteered discussion about burying people in mass graves, because apparently that's also "fairly normal."

These are the words of a DMAT nurse. How do we react to this? I'm not sure. Some of it seems very practical. I mean...if you have hundreds of thousands of dead bodies laying around...yes, it makes a lot of sense to bury them as quickly and efficiently as possible to prevent the spread of disease. As to the military occupation and supply train issues...to me it seems like the people in charge are simply doing a bad job. But from talking to her I get the impression that it's completely typical of relief efforts that the people in charge to do a really bad job. But she doesn't seem to perceive it as "doing a bad job" so much as "hey, we're in the trenches here, you people don't know what you're talking about. You're quick to point out that an extra 100,000 people died because our relief efforts were too slow, but what about the 100,000 people who didn't die because our relief efforts were fast enough? Remember, we didn't have to go at all."

If the US military were occupying Haiti with intent to stay, I suspect she would see that as a good thing. Her attitude seems to be that the US is the only group capable of dealing with this sort of thing, and however bad at it we might be, US help is better than no help at all.

These are her thoughts, not mine.

reply to post by Monts

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I SURE WOULD especially if my country was one of the most impovershed nations in the world and a country where the people illegally immigrate to on a regular basis has come to them to help. I think id be quite happy with the USA coming to my town to save my as. from TOTAL anarchy.
you have heard of the haitian refugees trying to get to america the land of the free right. ??? you know the place most immigrated to in the world but hey we are evil right???

It's important to understand that handing out aid is not as easy as walking into a neighborhood and asking everyone to get into a line.

Had the US not secured an airport, people would realize that is where the aid is coming in and it would be overrun by hungry, scared people. Also, the airport can only accommodate so much traffic. Before the US secured the Port-au-Prince airport it was a mess. Link Imagine going to any airport to fly to a vacation destination. When you arrive at the airport you will find that planes are arriving and departing in a vary controlled, organized manner. The same must hold true for a situation in Haiti.

When distributing aid many factors must be considered. You can't just drive out into the middle of a crowd and start giving away things. A situation such as this one calls for a strategic, long lasting method of distributing aid. There are many questions that must be answered.

What is the best way of distributing aid to the greatest amount of people?

If you can't distribute aid to everyone, who gets aid?

What is the safest manner of distributing aid?

How do you insure that the aid is not taken (by gangs) from the people who need it?

These are a few of the many questions which must be answered. Then, once these questions are answered, we must be able to do the job which needs to be done. It's not an easy task, however, the US and a number of other countries have stepped up to carry out this task.

From what I have read, many people believe that aid can magically be delivered to those who need it without complications. Many of you have never stepped out of the controlled environments of stability which you have grown up in.

[edit on 9-2-2010 by Styki]

Originally posted by Archirvion
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WWIII is starting soon,most likely this year so Us\Britain needs the shore\gold\ect whatever they may use in south america.

I'm also thinking along the same line of it.

Obama/GWBush/Clinton was also a spear-tip on asking for nations to donate to haiti right?

Now they have
1) The ARMY
2) Money (from donations from all over)
3) Medicine (donations)
4) Food (How many millions of pounds, how many years can the elites and top dogs feed on these canned foods)?
5) Local supply of oil to field army

Haiti's infrastructure sucks, but South America is supposed to be pretty safe from the supposed 2012 catastrophy, so it could stand to reason it's a good place to stage a base.

All my own speculations! Sure the US have enough stockpiles of ammo, food and medicines for it's army usage, and Haiti's force aren't too numerous to spearhead a WW3, so on the other hand, it could be all in the name of relief.

However I'm still skeptical of the ultimate plan.

reply to post by Monts

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Really good post and link, a lot of reading to catch up on.

S & F.

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the only thing sinister going on in Haiti is the BS rumors of the US invading Haiti. There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

Originally posted by intelgurl
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There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

You're probably right, there's nothing IN Haiti that the USA want.... But does not stop it from being a prime strategic location to keep an eye on Colombia, Cuba and Venezuala.... get your map out and check for yourself.

I read some of this thread yesterday, a little just now. I did not read it all.

There is a conspiracy against Haiti. There has been for the last couple hundred years. Research the factual history.

The situation on the ground right now is terrible. It is a crime. The AID is NOT getting to the people. It is sitting all over the airport under guard. There is no place for planes because of this. The only planes in and out are military and a certain Middle Eastern country. The people are NOT out of control, rioting and looting. When recue workers were there from other popular countries, they were all photo ops, as they left when the sun went down. Leaving the locals to continue with thier bare hands. Any unpopular countries local to the area who were providing real emergency AID were kicked out when Uncle Sam got settled in.

All of the above is first hand info from my father, who was on the ground in Haiti and witnessed this, and many other things I cannot repeat. There is a boat load of crap going down over there that is simply not being told. Those 10 trying to steal kids were only the ones that got caught. It is crazy over there.

The only buildings left standing are those that are very old concrete and wood structures. The only buildings that burned were critical government buildings which held vital records.

The video attatched is a short compilation of many hours my father shot. The audio track is him walking through the neighborhood recording the songs the people sing everynight, throughout the night. The video is of the destruction and shows how the people have organized themselves awaiting help that most likely wont arrive.

Originally posted by intelgurl
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the only thing sinister going on in Haiti is the BS rumors of the US invading Haiti. There is NOTHING in Haiti that the big ole mean USA would want, NOTHING. Forget it - move on -stop wasting time beating your fingers on the keyboards. This is silly.

Oil in Haiti - Economic Reasons for the UN/US occupation

Google Search: Oil Haiti

Please refer to article link above, one of many using the google search terms, oil haiti. Once you have perused them, please return with updated opinion.

Thank you

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