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Topic started on 8-2-2010 @ 09:49 AM by Dbriefed

Don't want to take anything away from the political discussion here:
Arab media: 2 Israeli Navy ships passed through Suez Canal
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Think this will impact the markets? The ships will arrive in the Persian Gulf around Thursday. Odd, I thought the nations would gather in the valley of Megiddo...

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Arab media: 2 Israeli Navy ships passed through Suez Canal

Two Israeli missile boats pass through Egypt's Suez Canal en route to Red Sea, according to Arab media reports; Cairo adopts strict security measures to ensure ships' safety. Egyptian sources estimate vessels headed to Persian Gulf
Roee Nahmias

Published: 02.06.10, 23:27 / Israel News

Two Israeli missile boats reportedly passed through the Suez Canal Thursday morning, according to Arab media reports over the weekend.

Egyptian authorities reportedly adopted strict security measures to ensure the ships' safety. According to the reports, the two Navy ships traveled through the canal en route to the Red Sea.

The sources did not provide the exact ultimate destination of the missile boats. However, Egyptian maritime sources quoted in the Arab media estimated that both ships were headed to the Persian Gulf and may reach it within four days. The veracity of these estimates is unclear.

The sail through the Suez Canal was coordinated with Egyptian authorities, which reportedly adopted strict security arrangements to ensure the safe passage of the two Israeli ships. According to Arab media, Egyptian forces prevented any vessels from passing through the Canal and also stopped the vehicular traffic on the road leading to it.

According to the reports, one Israeli missile boat already passed through the Suez Canal in June and July of last year. In one case, the Israeli ship was said to have been accompanied by an Israeli submarine.

Last week, Egyptian newspaper al-Shuruq reported that the US has been holding extensive maneuvers in the Persian Gulf, including some across Iran's shores. The report was based on information provided by senior Egyptian sources.

In addition, the newspaper reported that Israeli vessels have been mapping the Persian Gulf's waters in the past six months in cooperation with American forces belonging to the Fifth Fleet. However, it appears the report regarding Israel was baseless, and that it was leaked in an attempt to gauge Jerusalem's response.

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 10:02 AM by thoughtsfull

Do you feel Israel is joining the Build up? or are they just moving pieces around to create more tension??

Not sure if this will cause any market shift beyond that already possible with a build up of ships in the area and deployment of a missile defence shield..

I think the markets will wait until it really seems like it'll hit the fan before they move...

At the moment Hamas are meeting in Russia and Israels PM will be in Russia next week... so all in all plenty of pieces are being moved around behind the scenes

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:24 AM by Dbriefed

Anything that happens in the middle east will affect the price of oil and gold.

If oil goes up, energy costs will weigh down the economy.

I'm sure that the Arab countries get nervous anytime Israel and US collaborate.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:32 AM by thoughtsfull

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The ships (if they do link up with the US ships) will not affect the markets... but it might be worth talking openly at the economic effects of a war with Iran.. differing scenarios depending on how far this escalates.

Which markets will suffer, which will boom and how those factors will filter down to us.. e.g. higher energy prices, more restrictions in travel etc..

It might be worth talking about those in relation to the current set of economic circumstances we find ourselves dealing with. Unless that was what you meant and the point flew over my head

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:40 AM by airteck

So if Israel strikes Iran while being with the US fleet. Does that make America guilty by association, or just lets them play a deffensive position? Kind of like throwing rocks while behind your big brother.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:41 AM by SeekerofTruth101

Those warships there are armed with missiles. Their purpose there is to prevent the disruption of oil trade and supply caused by the iranian warmonger El Mad who is attempting to do a re-run of the movie 'wag the dog' to stifle internal dissent and direct hate to outsiders.

If the mad dog fires the first nuke, a volley of missiles will respond covering the entire land area of Iran, or at least their known nuke and missiles sites. Millions will die, thanks to El Mad.

Petrol may rise, but as economies are still sluggish in terms of trade and manufacturing, that rise will not be spectacular.

Stocks may tumble, but in any case, the stock market is nothing more than a Casino, fully manipulated by SWFs and Hedge funds to con suckers, nothing to do with actual economies.

Actual economies are dependent on needs and meeting those needs does a company prosper, thereby the nation. Stock market rise or fall, people still need to eat, drink and find shelter. No nation is self reliant thus trade in meeting those needs will ALWAYS continue on - druing wars or recessions.

The sooner we realize this truth, the less we will be frighten, lose our confidence and starve ourselves to death.

Humans still need to live. Iran fiasco will be a localized war, not a global one. China and Russia may make noises, but they have more problems to solve than to risk another total war for El Mad. Terrorists will attempt to strike, but there is only so many they can kill, and can never kill us mankind all.

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:44 AM by Ahabstar

All about timing. The ships are due to arrive on Feb. 11 and did not Iran mention something of showing the world on Feb 11?

Looks like Israel wants a close look and to be in position to give a quick respond if need be.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:47 AM by Foppezao

Oh i'll know what will happen with a stock of Bechtel, Halliburton or Stone&webster

.....and that is up

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 11:49 AM by GreenBicMan

dollar slightly weaker

oil up about 1%

see if this pans out.. nothing really yet I am seeing

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 12:12 PM by thoughtsfull

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

I think along the time lines that Iran has had years to develop it's strategy.. at the moment it is the one calling the shots and playing a game, not that other way around.

I think you are under estimating Iran, since they have had time on their sides and are making the current moves per their schedule.. I beleive what ever move Iran might make, it will not be one we will expect.

Under estimating Iran would open the door to repeating the same mistake made with pre-WW2 Germany

Caveat: I am not calling Iranians Nazi's, but the comparison of Iran and Germany is there, Sanctions, being surrounded, facing a defence system (Maginot line) Economic turmoil, a militarised society yet the Germans produced some innovative militaristic solutions that caught everyone off guard.

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 12:38 PM by SeekerofTruth101

...but El Mad is no German. He is only a predictable radical islamist court jester. One should not under-estimate him, but one too must never over-estimate this clown or his puppet master.

Whatever the puppet does, I am sure the puppet master is not seeking for annihilation of the Iranian masses. He would most definately want some killed, espacially his opponents, but certainly not all. He still needs serfs to serve him.

This game is only brinkmanship. Hitler did it and could pull it off because of clowns like Neville Chamberlin, leader of the free west at that time. There are no more clown leaders in this present age. Even Sarkosky and Berticellini is silent.

The puppet master may be smart, but not that smart to realized that the pieces had been moved exactly like the late 30s as you had mentioned, but without clowns today. Without Chamberlin, Hitler would have lost in that chess game early and millions need not suffer.

Mankind learnt from the past. The puppet master stupidly replayed and repeated that game. HIs next move will only be the doom of his own people.

I pity the iranian masses, but when El Mad pushes the nuke button, pity will end. The return volleys will be justified, for no other human will allow themselves to be blown to bits or suffer from the madness of one man, if the iranians themselves do not stop him.

May the iranian masses rise to the occasion and stop this madness....

reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 12:42 PM by freetree64

Boom, dit,dit, boom, dit, dit, boom.....( War drums )

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 01:05 PM by freetree64

Sound's like someone's got a very unique perspective on the people of Israel, a little warped, but, unique.....

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 01:11 PM by thoughtsfull

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

The game is brinkmanship.. except this is brinkmanship in front of a cliff edge.. and it is all to easy to fall off!

And I feel you are wrong with the Neville Chamberlain, he represented the will of the people.. the will of the people was neither peace or war, hence the confused, hypocritical polices that ruled the day, which I feel is replicated in today's politics, The people where behind Chamberlain as they are Obama in seeking neither peace or war.

The Political, Economic and Militaristic landscape now is very similar to the pre war era... and if you where in Iran's place would you not have spent the last decade thinking paranoid thoughts that you are next.. would you not have spent the time investing in something to keep up your sleeve just in case.. I know I would. Hence why I would not under estimate their capability... You might be right and I might be over estimating the threat, but I would rather be over prepared than under prepared.

lets just hope that no one falls off the cliff edge with this game of brinkmanship as it might get very messy.. Not because of Russia but because it will open the door to the other opportunist nations that might suddenly want to sort out any long standing issues they might have with their neighbours, which will really mess the global markets up.

As you say.. I hope the Iranian people sort this out before it get to the stage of patriotism obscuring reason.

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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 01:42 PM by freetree64

Gosh no, this doesn't sound provacative, does it......yeah right

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