Are suicide bombings part of a Black Op?

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by Dr UAE

 

You really don't get it do you?

These suicide bombings are done by fundamentalists.

Why this is so difficult to accept? Oh yea, I forgot...everyone wants the world to be one giant fantasy.

sir i did not say any thing about who is doing these crazy things , im just posting the islamic point of view, i dont claim to know the identity of those who commit these crimes, im just trying to tell every one that whom so ever follow the true religion of islam does not commit these crimes.

reply to post by Jinni



No,

it's not a fact. Sorry.


I would supply some links here, but they'd get banned as they once were before. (Thanks ATS)

But you have to understand the Iraqi suicide attacks are caused by fanatical Muslims, as well the ones in Israel.

I know, I don't want to believe that some Muslims are savages either, but you know what, some of them are. Savagery is a part in any religious institution.

It's a war that consists of rebels vs the occupants. We're the occupants. The same goes with Israel/Palestine or Russia/Chechnya.



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What may help in understanding why muslims do what they do against each other and all others is to listen to ex-terrorists such as Kamal Saleem (The Blood of the Lambs) or Walid Shoebat (he has a website). They have videos on you tube.

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reply to post by GorehoundLarry


1.5 million people have been killed across Iraq and many more to come from Depleted Uranium.

I think so called suicide bombers have their work cut out!

reply to post by kilas


How else is an occupying force going to win the hearts of the people

Remember how the civil war in Iraq started? Who bombed the Shia holy shrine? The fingers were pointing at the US and Israel, but Al-Qaeda always comes to help the US and Israel secret agencies whose job it is to win the war tactically, not militarily.

They can't do it in Afghanistan because International forces are present there, and they will expose their secrets as if it hasn't been exposed before. People just don't believe America can do wrong anymore lol, or maybe its just the patriots. I mean parrots..

Many of them are and your observations serve you well. I sometimes dont know if
a.the handlers are arrogant and get a kick out of most everyone being blind to it (black ops). The ones who do see it are considered insane by the ones who suggest the black ops false flag tactics is all nonsense and disinfo.
or
b. Henry Kissinger is correct and just about everyone from a sgt to a general is just plain stupid and wreckless.

Then there is c.
They dont really care whether you see it or do not see.. The fact they are false flag events carried out in classified black operations...both sides unaware and aware serve the greater purpose all around whatever that may be.

I choose C to be the answer.

Suicide bombings are not arranged by CIA black ops. The whole concept is ridiculous.

Suicide attacks in general are carried out by Shi'ah upon Sunni Muslims or by Sunni upon Shi'ah Muslims. Normally these attacks are conducted by men and women who follow fundamentalist sects of their flavor of Islam and are fully spiritually, emotionally, and mentally committed to martyring themselves in the name of their particular causes. Now in recent years it has become more commonplace for terrorist organizations to influence emotionally and mentally disturbed individuals in carrying out suicide attacks but this does not preclude the norm of suicide attacks being conducted by "true believers" Such as evidenced by the attack on Prince Mohammed bin Nayef of Saudi Arabia.

I have 10 years experience in Arabic linguistics and Middle Eastern culture.

This is a question that needs to be addressed not just on forums but internationally, by governments of the world. Suicide bombing historically came into being as a result of oppression, where when faced by danger from a greater force people were ready to give their lives to protect what is dear or sacred to them. We can see this happen in the Palestine and Israel dispute. Where one side was heavily armed with tanks and aeroplanes and the other was limited to firearms and grenade.

In modern day this does not however apply any more, as people kill not to protect but to spread fear and hatred. Since 9/11 Islam has been picked on as cause of all the terrorism around the world. However, we do not blame the christians for bombing and target killing in northern Ireland even though the dispute was religious, we blame the IRA !!!

The point here is that instead of blaming group of individuals we blame a religion practiced by millions around the world. People reflect their own understanding of a certain matter in a religion and use it for their own personal gain.

I read in one of the replies that Muslims will kill "anyone that may hurt their "manly" feelings."

We have to distinguish between religious and cultural practices. For example, a lot of people think cruelty and supressing women as being part of Islam, while this is not the case. These are regional and cultural practices.

I think not many would have heard or read about "Sati" [en.wikipedia.org...(practice)] a ritual of burning a widowed women by force or voluntarily with her husbands corpse, practiced in some Hindu communities. There are still communities now a days where people will kill their babies if it is a girl.

All these are cultural practices found in communities that are uneducated and have been continuing such practicies for ages.

My believe is that certain group of individuals, mostly elites of the countries around the world, people in power in governments, have invested interest in modern warfare. If the whole world is peaceful no one would require weapons.

What would happen to the defence industry??

This is just a single example, Oil, control of worlds resources and control of the whole world are other things on the agenda of these power hungry group of individuals. Modern age is not what it seems, what you see is a mirage, a deception. Ask the people of the countries who are suffering from war in the modern age. Most of us do not see the reality as we a living a prosperous and happy life. We are living a life of luxury compared to people living in war ridden countries.

I would recommend everyone to do more research, read about historical events, it will not be long before everything will make more sense and you will not be deceived any more.

Take an example, Usama Bin ladin is not an Afghan, he is an Arab.
So why do we go and attack Afghanistan?

He came to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet/Afghan war backed by United States, United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and other Muslim nations. United states provided weapons through Pakistan with the help of then Pakistani Military government lead by General Zia-ul-Haq. Afghan mujahideen and Bin Ladin are remnants of that war.

This is just one historical event, the modern age is in its current shape and form due to similar events controlled and manipulated by generations of these individuals.

Originally posted by Dark Oracle
Suicide bombings are not arranged by CIA black ops. The whole concept is ridiculous.

You need to do your research, Operation Gladio was exactly what your saying they never do.

Operation Gladio

Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".

Of course Wikipedia says it is alleged but it was declassified so I'm not sure what that is about except that Wiki even says that gulf of tonkin not happening is alleged so we can take that wit ha grain of salt.

Personally my belief is that they are killing muslims which are living peacefully despite the "evil" Americans presence. Because obviously any muslim that condones coexisting peacefully with Americans are the enemy, so blow em up for Allah.

In other words if your a muslim that doesn't have an AK + RPG in your bedroom and doesn't create IEDs, then you are by proxy the enemy.

Really don't understand why people here are having trouble with this concept lol.

Originally posted by Beefcake

Originally posted by Dark Oracle
Suicide bombings are not arranged by CIA black ops. The whole concept is ridiculous.

You need to do your research, Operation Gladio was exactly what your saying they never do.

Operation Gladio

Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".

Of course Wikipedia says it is alleged but it was declassified so I'm not sure what that is about except that Wiki even says that gulf of tonkin not happening is alleged so we can take that wit ha grain of salt.

Shi'ahs and Sunni muslims have been fighting each others long before the USA even came to existence....

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The poster is correct. In fact the British SAS were caught red handed planting bombs dressed as arabs to inflame the local situation.

www.globalresearch.ca...

reply to post by kilas


Yes, they are probably not black ops, but due to massive m'kultra programming and death threats to their families BY the black ops, cia and basically bloodline merc's, these events are staged. I have thought that long before I had a computer, and..... also that all terrorist groups are set up by the US/UK and usually cia.

Here are the pictures of the British that were captured during the Basra, Iraq False Flag.



www.blogigo.co.uk...

reply to post by kilas


I am sorry but you are just showing a lack of understanding, and a lack of knowledge about the sitution in the Middle East, and all over the world of Muslim sects, and tribes, and you are making a conclusion with no knowledge whatsoever about the topic.

You think the present times are the only times when different Muslim sects and tribes have had conflicts, and even wars?....

There have ALWAYS been conflict in the Middle East, and other parts of the world of Muslims fighting against other Muslims... Even BEFORE the U.S., and the west got involved.

If you don't think that Muslims don't kill other Muslims, it is obvious you have no knowledge whatsoever about these people.

Although not all Muslims are bad people, there are hardliners all over the world that kill anyone and everyone, including other Muslims, and there is also the fact that Muslims have kiled, and murdered other Muslims just for being members of some other Muslim sect, or tribe, or even for not embracing Islamic extremism.

For example, you obviously don't know that the Islamic government of Sudan has sanctioned two jihads in the Sudan. (BTW, I know Sudan is not in the Middle East)

The first one was against Christians, and in this first jihad over 2 million black Christians were murdered by the Arab Islamic militias with the consent, and backing of the Islamic Sudanese government.

That first jihad started in 1983, and ended in 2003. Right after the first jihad had ended, the Islamic Sudanese government sanctioned ANOTHER jihad, and this time against African black Muslims, and as far as we know they have murdered over 500,000 people... That figure is from 2005, so unfortunately the death toll is probably a lot higher.

Likewise there are many other conflicts in other parts of the Middle East, and that includes conflicts, fights, and murders done by Muslims against other people, and including against other Muslims.

Instead of wanting to make up a conspiracy because you are bored ,why don't you actually learn a bit about the situation?...

Muslim hardliners, and Muslims of different sects, and tribes are known to have fought against each other, and murdered other Muslims, hence the most logical conclusion is that the bombings are being conducted by Muslims of different sects, or tribes, or even simply by Muslim extremists...

Originally posted by Beefcake
You need to do your research, Operation Gladio was exactly what your saying they never do.

Operation Gladio

Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".

Of course Wikipedia says it is alleged but it was declassified so I'm not sure what that is about except that Wiki even says that gulf of tonkin not happening is alleged so we can take that wit ha grain of salt.

Communists ALWAYS makes such claims....of course Communists never start wars... I guess that's why the Vietnam war never occurred, or any number of wars with the backing, and training from Communist nations, and groups....

It is obvious you need to do more research in history... Communism has murdered more people than all world wars, and other "non-Communist" conflicts the world over....

BTW, I am not saying the U.S. and some others have not tried to stop Communists from spreading. Socialists/Communists have also been trying to "CHANGE" the U.S. and other countries into Socialist dictatorships....

Originally posted by nickspm
Here are the pictures of the British that were captured during the Basra, Iraq False Flag.

www.blogigo.co.uk...

Riiight... a Socialist/Communist blog, among some others, make that claim and "IT MUST" be true?....

Socialism/Communism have caused more deaths around the world than any other ideology, even more than religion, yet you people want to spread the "disease and plague that is Socialism/Communism"?....

Something I learned from 'enemy' videos at terroristmedia.com, some so called random suicide bombings are actually planned strikes.. targeting traitors, spies and US military or mercenaries. It rarely gets reported that way, because the govt spin these days is that everything is calm in iraq.. the people have been pacified and are no longer effectively fighting the occupation..

When the US targets 1 or 2 enemy assets, but the drone kills 20 people dead.. it's reported as collateral damage thanks to the ruthless terrorists hiding among civilians. When the enemy targets a few assets and kills 20 extra... it's another random senseless crazy terrorist suicide bombing.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno
After living in a Moslem country for two years I wouldn't call it a retarded culture.There are good and bad things in every culture. There are things in our own culture that we take for granted that are hideous and barbaric if you think about them with any perspective. [ I'll make a list later, it's a long list.] That's why it is good to get out of your culture at least once in your life to get some perspective. Some Moslems are a little fanatical about their honor and keeping their children on the straight and narrow. Some, not many, of them take it too far. Most are loving parents and want more than anything for their children to be healthy and happy and live long happy lives.
If your object is to further the hatred of Moslems, there are plenty of offenses individuals have committed down the ages to draw upon. But if you really want to understand people, then try to put yourself in their shoes, you will discover that you have a lot in common.
But what has happened in our crazy age is that some rambo type gung ho military strategists have decided to use dissent where ever they find it and to create it if it is not there already. We knew this was happening in the 60's. Arafat said there was no solution to the Palestinian problem, ie no relief for the suffering refugees, without the destruction of Israel. The Tax Exempt Foundations kept him well funded while pretending to be best friends with Israel. In Pakistan in 1970 some army generals were confronted with the possibility of a rebellion in their eastern wing with weapons supplied by Russia. That was just wishful thinking on the part of the Russians, there was no rebellion, only an attempt to get a better break for an impoverished province, Pakistan responded by massacring 3 million people with American help. It would have been 70 million if Indira Ghandi hadn't marched in her army and marched out the Pakistanis. Actually it would probably been have less, 11 million managed to flee into India another 20 or 30 million would have followed.But the alliance between the United States CIA and the Pakistan government started right there and soon grew into terrorism incorporated. Now, poor Pakistan, is learning the hard way that it pays to pick your friends carefully. Obama is sending drones to murder people almost indescriminately right and left.Pakistan will probably be overrun and decimated by the beginnings of the New World Order even more than Iraq.I may have gotten a little off subject, but this is what it is all about. It is only a distraction to claim that one culture or another is misbehaving when it is actually the banksters at it again



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Yes, most of the bombings are part of a "black ops" operation to keep certain parts of the globe in turmoil.
Why? To keep the war on terrorism alive.

Some info on SAS who were captured by the Iraqi police:


In 2007 the FBI concluded that many of the cars used in bomb attacks were stolen from the US.
www.nytimes.com...

This happened in 2008:
from KOB.com (www.kob.com... article has been taken down):

The FBI is now involved in the theft of a car after it was found in Los Lunas with an explosive device and Iraqi currency inside FBI agents say that they have ruled out terrorism.
The car was reported stolen last week. After the theft, the car’s owner was fueling his motorcycle when he spotted his stolen car.
“While he was refueling his motorcycle, low and behold, the vehicle that he had reported stolen that belongs to him happened to pull into the gas station area also,” said Los Lunas Police Captain Charles Nuanes.
The car’s owner pulled the keys out of the ignition of his stolen car and the people in the car fled. When police arrived, they found the explosive device and less than $1,000 worth of Iraqi cash.
“We don’t know what their intentions were,” said Nuanes. “We don’t know what they were planning on doing with any of this.”

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