Pathetic.
Wearing awards you haven't earned effects many levels: personal honor, military honor, the social contract...it is an acid that eats the fabric of
society, weakening bonds and breeding distrust.
To display unearned honors insults and demeans the actions of those who have earned them. By extension it mocks the entire structure of the military
and its relation to the broader society. The social contract between a society and its military has always been a variation of this:
"We know we can't pay you enough or repay for the sacrifices you make or the hardships you endure on our behalf with monies or goods, so in place of
those we will mark you as special in a way that will make people know their debt to you and offer you acknowledgement and honor."
When you wear unearned honors you cast doubt on the validity of all, attacking the concept itself.
Sad, pathetic, dishonorable.
Should he go to jail?
Maybe a month of isolation is about right, after being required to shame himself by touring military bases, VFWs, American Legion posts, and schools
in the areas he within which he fraudulently presented himself and apologizing for his behavior.
Perhaps he might find some inner betterment for the process.
Then after he gets out, enlist him, train him, and send him to the worst hellhole available.
Charged with Stolen Valor (Military Award Fraud), page 1
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Topic started on 7-2-2010 @ 02:09 PM by COOL HAND
Folks,
I am curious as to your opinions on this case:
LINK TO STORY
Can anyone here defend the right to wear military awards that were not earned under the pretense of the First Amendment? Some claim that a person should be allowed to wear such awards. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why.
Thoughts?
MODS - I could not find any other mention of this story on the boards and put it where I thought it worked best. If it needs to be moved, please do so.
[edit on 7/2/10 by COOL HAND]
I am curious as to your opinions on this case:
LINK TO STORY
Can anyone here defend the right to wear military awards that were not earned under the pretense of the First Amendment? Some claim that a person should be allowed to wear such awards. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why.
Thoughts?
MODS - I could not find any other mention of this story on the boards and put it where I thought it worked best. If it needs to be moved, please do so.
[edit on 7/2/10 by COOL HAND]
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 02:34 PM by IceHappy
reply to post by COOL HAND
Its wrong! This act is against the UCMJ - I understand you are talking about non military people. IMHO it brings dishonour on those who earned the right to.
For what purpose do these people want to wear these medals? Most of these people would never join the military and their points of views are usually anti military which is why I say it would be disrespectful!
In the service when we catch someone it used to be reported and that soldier would become known as a PX Hero!
S n F for you to bring up the question and it will be interesting to hear what other ATS members have to say about this.
[edit on 2/7/2010 by IceHappy]
Its wrong! This act is against the UCMJ - I understand you are talking about non military people. IMHO it brings dishonour on those who earned the right to.
For what purpose do these people want to wear these medals? Most of these people would never join the military and their points of views are usually anti military which is why I say it would be disrespectful!
In the service when we catch someone it used to be reported and that soldier would become known as a PX Hero!
S n F for you to bring up the question and it will be interesting to hear what other ATS members have to say about this.
[edit on 2/7/2010 by IceHappy]
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 02:46 PM by IceHappy
reply to post by COOL HAND
Jail no but sentience to read to the heroes coming home to the VA hospital at the least every Saturday and maybe several evenings. This way the Vet could have someone to talk to and maybe then the "Cannot come up with a postable name of someone who would do this", could learn what it means to respect those who wear one along with a Purple Heart!
Problem is if the Veterans in a VA hospital knew what this "Don't know what to call him did" may not even want this person in the hospital! If that is the case then they can do maintenance around the VA hospitals and therefore can see these soldiers day in and day out. Or maybe sit in a room where they can see a group of soldiers trying to talk about the guilt they feel with a one way mirror or on a monitor with speakers. There are many discussion groups with in a VA Hospital dealing with PTSD!
edited as you just posted the video
This guy makes my blood boil. I was thinking someone wearing one or two on camo jacket like John Lennon.....
JAIL!!! No Excuse for this.
I have been gone from the states for a while and did not know that a law was passed making this illegal. The man who answered the door when they knocked on his door was wearing a CIA badge baseball cap. Besides the Airborne Wings he is wearing a Pathfinders badge. Life expectancy of a Pathfinder doing his job behind lines is 3 seconds. I don't believe this man has what it takes to get through jump school as the Black Hats always rides the men who sport wing tattoos and many of those are picked on so bad that they don't make it through. I am thinking of Warren in my class. Good looking guy with a ton of excellent stories, everybodies best friend, very strong with a good build and I thought I would drop before him.
I cannot believe GW, who is without honour, passed the "stolen Valour" law.
[edit on 2/7/2010 by IceHappy]
Jail no but sentience to read to the heroes coming home to the VA hospital at the least every Saturday and maybe several evenings. This way the Vet could have someone to talk to and maybe then the "Cannot come up with a postable name of someone who would do this", could learn what it means to respect those who wear one along with a Purple Heart!
Problem is if the Veterans in a VA hospital knew what this "Don't know what to call him did" may not even want this person in the hospital! If that is the case then they can do maintenance around the VA hospitals and therefore can see these soldiers day in and day out. Or maybe sit in a room where they can see a group of soldiers trying to talk about the guilt they feel with a one way mirror or on a monitor with speakers. There are many discussion groups with in a VA Hospital dealing with PTSD!
edited as you just posted the video
This guy makes my blood boil. I was thinking someone wearing one or two on camo jacket like John Lennon.....
JAIL!!! No Excuse for this.
I have been gone from the states for a while and did not know that a law was passed making this illegal. The man who answered the door when they knocked on his door was wearing a CIA badge baseball cap. Besides the Airborne Wings he is wearing a Pathfinders badge. Life expectancy of a Pathfinder doing his job behind lines is 3 seconds. I don't believe this man has what it takes to get through jump school as the Black Hats always rides the men who sport wing tattoos and many of those are picked on so bad that they don't make it through. I am thinking of Warren in my class. Good looking guy with a ton of excellent stories, everybodies best friend, very strong with a good build and I thought I would drop before him.
I cannot believe GW, who is without honour, passed the "stolen Valour" law.
[edit on 2/7/2010 by IceHappy]
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 03:44 PM by IceHappy
reply to post by Wyn Hawks
There are a couple of online sites that sell these. The actual medal issued is a full size along with a ribbon and jacket button hole mini medal. The "Dress Blues" smaller size is usually purchased from the PX or military uniform store on base. In both outlets one needs to display their "original orders" of eligibility. This person would not be allowed in either shops on base therefore must have purchased these online. They sell everything online these days, except for the back bone to earn these awards. This jerk must have spent a lot of money on the uniform badges and awards.
I still think that when he is released from jail that he serve some time working in a VA hospital to give back some of the honour he tried to steal from our brave boys of todays war and very angry Viet Nam era Veterans. If nothing else to clean up litter around the hospital!
There are a couple of online sites that sell these. The actual medal issued is a full size along with a ribbon and jacket button hole mini medal. The "Dress Blues" smaller size is usually purchased from the PX or military uniform store on base. In both outlets one needs to display their "original orders" of eligibility. This person would not be allowed in either shops on base therefore must have purchased these online. They sell everything online these days, except for the back bone to earn these awards. This jerk must have spent a lot of money on the uniform badges and awards.
I still think that when he is released from jail that he serve some time working in a VA hospital to give back some of the honour he tried to steal from our brave boys of todays war and very angry Viet Nam era Veterans. If nothing else to clean up litter around the hospital!
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 04:10 PM by whatwasthat
reply to post by Wyn Hawks
The focus of the law concerning awards and decorations is not to
limit the sale or possession. All the military medals are widely
available from several commercial sources.
The law is intended to stop folks from presenting themselves as for fee public speakers and stating they speak with the authority of someone who have experienced combat and has been recognised by the military for their personal valor under fire when it is not true.
Now as far as flying F102's for the Air National Guard, agreed by the late 1960's it was not much of a fighter but you still hard to go to
AF pilot training full time active duty for more than a year to get the assignment. If someone wanted skate by on their military service
there were over one hundred easier and safer ways to punch your ticket.
I was in military pilot training about the same time. There were a couple National Guard guys in every class of fifty or so. Everyone
knew they were going to go back to their home town and fly with their Guard Unit. The Guard student pilot were volunteers in the truest sense because they all had a way to avoid hazardous duty
and still fulfill their military obligation.
The focus of the law concerning awards and decorations is not to
limit the sale or possession. All the military medals are widely
available from several commercial sources.
The law is intended to stop folks from presenting themselves as for fee public speakers and stating they speak with the authority of someone who have experienced combat and has been recognised by the military for their personal valor under fire when it is not true.
Now as far as flying F102's for the Air National Guard, agreed by the late 1960's it was not much of a fighter but you still hard to go to
AF pilot training full time active duty for more than a year to get the assignment. If someone wanted skate by on their military service
there were over one hundred easier and safer ways to punch your ticket.
I was in military pilot training about the same time. There were a couple National Guard guys in every class of fifty or so. Everyone
knew they were going to go back to their home town and fly with their Guard Unit. The Guard student pilot were volunteers in the truest sense because they all had a way to avoid hazardous duty
and still fulfill their military obligation.
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 04:37 PM by whatwasthat
reply to post by COOL HAND
Little known Veterans Benefit. The VA will send a vet a full set of medals for no cost. Fill out a few forms, awards listed on your DD214 will be sent to you. Expect to wait long enough that you forgot what you did and be surprised when they come in the mail.
(maybe it was three months)
Little known Veterans Benefit. The VA will send a vet a full set of medals for no cost. Fill out a few forms, awards listed on your DD214 will be sent to you. Expect to wait long enough that you forgot what you did and be surprised when they come in the mail.
(maybe it was three months)
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 04:58 PM by whatwasthat
reply to post by COOL HAND
The benefit is for all veterans, go for it!
Try the va.gov website if you strike out ask me again and I will dig out the paperwork.
The benefit is for all veterans, go for it!
Try the va.gov website if you strike out ask me again and I will dig out the paperwork.
reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 05:25 PM by whatwasthat
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