Originally posted by rainfall
why don't you give up on that 'disclosure date' and focus on the positive messages that David talks about...?....

Change can be good...

from what I understand, the positive message is contingent on disclosure from what I have read from him...aka, aliens will come and bring this and that and gumdrops and rainbows, etc...

but...without said aliens coming, then no rainbows, no gumdrops, no chicken in every pot, and all that jive.

So, he says...hey everyone, guess what, Obama is going to rip off his face and show everyone he is actually Mork from Orc and make everyone millionares and this will happen by the end of the week....

erm...ya, see, there is a issue here if indeed the events dont happen...means the positive message also is a bit of a scam...

I dont need to read some strangers book or blog to get positive messages, I can talk to any hippy or child and get the gumdrop and rainbow speech...so, what relevance does he have if his predictions dont come true to begin with?

I open up this topic and all i see is a fight and a bunch of spam? What the hell is wrong with you people? We shouldn't be fighting!

It doesn't matter nothing happened on that day in particular, don't you get it? Eventhough Wilcock wasn't the one slipping the date, but it was Project Camelot actually at one event. But that's not the point. The point is Wilcock's message itself as a whole, not one stupid date.

I'm not saying i buy or eat everything that comes out of his mouth, because not even Mr. W. knows everything (though he has some good ideas), basically noone does. You have to put the pieces together yourself! From dozens of sources.

But what he said, in it's core is true and makes sense. We will see certain things taking place before the big event. I know some of you old folks have been let down many times, but this is it. Maybe i'm delusional, but don't tell me you haven't felt and haven't seen that 2009 was way more different than all the other years before regarding ET's. It is coming, you can't postpone the inevitable forever...

Instead of bashing Wilcox, read or listen to what he has to say, listen and read what a dozen of others have to say, analyze it, put it together, compare notes, think about it and come up with a conclusion. Then sing blood. He atleast is doing something visible (atleast more visible then us on the net imho, but that depends on many things, sometimes i feel like in fact we here are doing all the work). If you don't like him, ignore him, simple as that. Why hate?

To summarize it:
Noone's gonna' give you a map, you've got walk your own path, remember that!

Peace!



[edit on 7/2/10 by Cybernet]

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel

i don't pretend he says 'Its TRUE' before he says IF .. if you read my post it says he says its TRUTH in the NEXT part of the interview.

No, at no point does he say that this information he was given is "TRUTH". If I'm wrong, directly quote him, in context, saying this. He doesn't say it.

And yes its regarding his TRUTH about ET's etc , so what he is saying is i know the truth .. believe my truth .. after all its True right?

That doesn't make any sense to me (the same goes for your next few sentences). Suffice it to say that Wilcock doesn't say or imply what you claim here. Don't agree? Quote him directly, as your interpretation of the meaning of his comments doesn't bear any resemblance to what he actually said.

lots of people will pay to go see David to listen to his 'Truth' without any facts at all ... and remember its not 'The theory of David Wilcox' that he is peddling it's 'The Truth as told by David Wilcox'

Let people be. They can listen to whatever they want to and support the work of whoever they want to, for whatever reason they want to. It's none of our concern.

if people believe him then they will believe him every time he announces such things

Not really, if people believe him then they would believe that he had been told this and that it was a possibility, nothing more. Anything more than that and it's their own fault, not Wilcock's. I believed he had been told this (in fact, we have hard evidence he was) and I viewed it was a "possibility" (what isn't? LOL), but I wasn't getting all excited thinking Santa was definitely bringing me disclosure for Christmas, because I'm reasonable and don't take a possibility for anything more than that. LOL



[edit on 7-2-2010 by Malcram]

Originally posted by SaturnFX

from what I understand, the positive message is contingent on disclosure from what I have read from him...aka, aliens will come and bring this and that and gumdrops and rainbows, etc...

Nah, that's not my understanding of his message at all. There is considerably more to it than that, but I doubt you'd give much - or any - of it any credence. Which is fine.

I'm not even sure I do. I have listened/watched/read some of his stuff and I generally find it very positive and inspirational, which is where I think it has value, but it's mostly a kind of spiritual philosophy, rather than focusing of specific events like disclosure.


[edit on 7-2-2010 by Malcram]

What the hell are you talking about, "its coming this is it"... nothing is going to happen, 2012 is a big hoax, stop believing and start getting SOLID EVIDENCE AND PROOF, hes even selling some dumb book thats more unprovable garbage, some people need a reality check, you just have a hard time accepting that there are people out there who will prey on the innocent.

Originally posted by Tifozi

and I'm not the only one in ATS with this opinion.

...to the point of the staff of this site not supporting all the charlatans that appear in the UFO community.

That's an interesting comment. The ATS staff? How does this relate to Wilcock?

And obviously, just as you and others despise Wilcock, there are many here who find value in his work, on various levels.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

...ok, consider this more basic.

Joe the billionare is bored with life... He fires up the ole computer machine and googles UFOs...he is met with Wilcocks whom is talking his stuff....Joe gets excited...great, ET is coming this year...well, let me just spend all my money on welcome mats ... then end of the year comes and goes...he grumps, sells off his stuff, and never returns to this scam of a field

LOL Well, poor Joe is clearly a bit of an idiot and I don't think he'll be much of a loss to the community.

Seeing as Wilcock didn't say it would definitely happen, only that he had been told that this had been planned and he thought it could happen, then Joe was silly to invest so much in a possibility.

I heard the same thing, but I didn't 'go Joe' LOL. The reason? Because I heard and understood what Wilcock actually said, I didn't read things into it that weren't there. A possibility is a possibility. Nothing more.

"alternatively...in a world where Wilcocks was silenced...Joe sees light, etc etc etc...googles, and comes up with some very credible and critically viewed observations, seeing the current limitations. He spends his money on enhancing telescopes, creating a shuttlecraft able to go to and from the moon carrying people and bases...he knows there is no proof of these disks or whatnot, but he really is now trying to help this movement by doing both logical and helpful steps, along with whats profitable in the long run. He never gets tired of this effort because there was no pretend sweet story to begin with. just evidence, accounts, and maybe a little bit of very clearly stated speculation.

I prefer the second bit...humanity needs progression, not fantasy.

LOL But Millionaire Joe is a fantasy, and I think the amount of millionaires who could have saved the field of UFOlogy, if only they hadn't read - and completely misunderstood - Wilcock's words, is pretty damn small, don't you?

I don't think Wilcock should be "silenced" just in case there are dumb millionaire Joes in the world.

PS. "Silenced"? Really? There must be some very militant, intolerant UFOlogists around these days.


[edit on 7-2-2010 by Malcram]

Originally posted by rainfall
suppression of over 6000 patents that could give us free energy, gravity control, water cars, incredible healing devices, Stargate teleportation, interstellar travel and even time travel.

Care to give us the numbers of these "patents"... if they are patented they would have numbers, and not suppressed...