Originally posted by Sean48
Originally posted by Jakes51 So, when people claim the US and Israel are the new Nazis I find it somewhat misinformed and short-sighted.
Yes, both have been involved in unpopular wars, and civilians have died; but to go as far as to crop them with genocidal mass murderers is almost
laughable. However, if you feel that way to each their own I guess?
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Please inform us, because I kinda agree with the Nazi thing.
Why are 750,000 + Iraqies dead now , 1000+ Gazians ?
Because they hate our freedom's ?
Because 911 attacks?
The two countries behind 911 were Saudi Arabia , Pakistan
Please inform me sir.
Thanks for the response! Now, to crop the US and Israel with the Nazis is quite a stretch, however, I am not negating the issue of fascist elements
showing their ugly face in both countries; and that is because of the closeness between corporate interests and government. Some refer to that seedy
relationship as the "Military Industrial Complex." However, still in my personal opinion; they are not of the same ilk as the Nazi regime. I have
yet to see both sides summarily execute civilians for no apparent reason as was seen with the Nazis.
Has unreported atrocities happened, probably? However, is it state sanctioned as it was under the Nazi regime? That is a negative as far as I have
seen. Now, you mention the civilian casualty figures from the Iraq conflict, and they are 750,000 or so. That is quite a high number, would you be so
kind as to offer a source for that figure. I would like to see it.
Now, to get back to the civilian casualties, it was an insurgency fraught with sectarian violence which teetered on the edge of civil war. In any war
of attrition, civilian casualties are high. Furthermore, are some of that figures also allocated to deaths caused by insurgents? It is hard to weed
out the enemy when they look as the people do, and when the civilians are afraid to turn over these people out of fear of retribution.
Now, if it were the Nazis element of the German Army in a similar situation; they would have gone into what ever town insurgent activity took place
and rounded up every man, woman, and child. Then, they would have most likely executed the whole lot of them, and burned the town to the ground. I
have yet to see tactics such as that being used by the US, or Israel for that matter.
Now, you bring up a 1,000 or so killed or wounded Gazans. Yes, the Gaza situation is quite harsh, but if they would refrain from lobbing rockets and
sending suicide bombers into Israel, maybe that grim figure would not be there in the first place? However, Hamas blends in well with the Palestinian
population, and when a raid or bombing occurs this close proximity between civilian and combatant often results in significant collateral damage. Is
the treatment of the Palestinian people harsh? I say, yes, absolutely!
However, I don't see the Hamas government softening their tone with Israel or offering gestures of negotiation with Israel? It is a mess over there
and no denial here. However, it is still a far cry from how the Nazis operated. They would be entering Gaza all the the time, and shooting civilians
in droves for the heck of it. That is simply not the case as far as what I have seen on the news and through other sources.
Now, you mention 9-11 and assaults on freedom as the causes for these military conflicts, and I will tell I have no idea why the wars are going on in
the first place? Your guess is as good as mine. However, all semantics aside, I am only commenting on the premise of the US/Israel being the new
Nazis. As far as I am concerned, I have not seen anything that would justify that label. Now, in the future at sometime, could both countries become
something akin to the Nazis, given the political climate, blind nationalistic fervor, and the collusion between the corporate world and government?
The cards seem to be in place, unless things change. However, at the present time, I have not seen anything to justify labeling both countries as the
new Nazis, regardless of how unpopular they are to some.
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