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reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 02:54 PM by moonzoo7
I like the thread. The premise is skewed a bit, because in my opinion, the unemployment issue can't be resolved in a year. I know what you mean though.

Well-placed tactical nukes that when detonated decapitates the Chinese government/military infrastructure. Wait- that's a different one....

I'm not going to give numbers and pie charts. I just want to highlight an idea that I've rolled over in my mind over time. What about taking resources from our wounded airline industry, from manufacturing to personnel, and re-tool the industry towards space exploration hardware and training.

Manufacturing would create jobs for engineers, scientists, and techs.

Recruiting space explorers/workers would create jobs through trainers, dieticians, physical therapists, medical research, spacesuit design/manufacturing, etc. These people would work on the ground, and in space.

New products and manufacturing techniques based in space would create new careers that don't even exist now.

The research and analysis from all of the samples and raw data collected by scientists would keep them busy indefinitely, giving academia a much needed boost in education and research funds.

Use this base economic model to re-tool our educational system towards producing students strong in Math, Science, Electronics Systems, Communications, etc, etc,....

This model would also give the U.S. a strategic foothold in space and on the Moon, and beyond. The evolution of technology would rapidly increase.
The implications of the U.S. having a strategic foothold in space decades ahead of our competitors is incalculable.

You get the point.



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reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 06:00 PM by m khan
Here is a rap that describes the problems with Keynesians economics. I found it on Campaign for Liberty.



www.campaignforliberty.com...

It is in an article The Brilliance of that Hayak Vs Keynes Rap by Jeffrey Tucker


The beauty of new media is its capacity for showing us what we otherwise might miss. Fear the Boom and Bust, a YouTube video made by producer John Papola and economist Russ Roberts, and backed by the Mercatus Center of George Mason University, turns this advantage to the point of genius, pitting Keynes and Hayek against each other in a rap that captures a reality few have fully understood until now.


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If the economy is going to recover the government must get itself out of the socialism business and leave the market alone. Other than some protective tarrifs, they should stay out of the picture. That of course is after ending the WAR abolishing the FED and taking our military back from big business. The economy is being destroyed because some very big parasites have gotten control of the government and are using it to bleed the taxpayers. to fight wars of aggression to secure their financial interests. That Global Warming was a farce should not have surprized anyone. The extent to which the US has had it's blood syphoned it is amazing that it has lasted this long. That is probably was has saved us from the predators until now. The resources of the US have been so great that it took this many years of bad government to deplete them. It is also no wonder that the Fabian Socialists, from which our CFR owes its' origin, has a wolf-in-sheep-clothing for their mascot.


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reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 09:53 PM by thewind
After reading many of the posts here, the only way the USA is ever gonna get turned around is for the american people to prepare for many sacrifices, and for our gov't to do the following:
1) Abolish the Federal Reserve
2) Get out of the UN
3) Pull out of all trade agreements and either renegotiate or simply stay away from them
4) Pull all troops out of both Iraq and Afghanistan
5) Put the terrorists on alert, any nation that screws with the USA, our response will be nuclear! We will no longer waste manpower, ammo, and energy(gas,diesel,oil) fighting conventional wars, but make it clear that we'd rather be their neighbors than their foes
6) Cut federal spending by reducing all salaries, to include the president, vp, all congress and senators
7) Put wallstreet and the bankers on alert that washington doesn't work for them anymore! Same thing goes for big corporations and lobbyists
8) Do away with the illegal and unconstitutional collection of payroll taxes, thus puting more money in the hands of the american people
9) Fix the following programs: social security, healthcare, education, national security, taxation, and welfare
10) Do away with the IRS
11) Do away with the following programs: DHS, CIA, Infraguard, the NSA, Pork Barrel spending, and giving money to foreign entities
12) Run this nation according to the constitution
13) Start back producing our own food, automobiles, energy, clothing materials, and technology
14) Revamp the entire judicial system and run it according to the constitution
15) Enforce all immigration policies
16) Restructure our election process
17) Jumpstart the economy by granting small business loans and taxbreaks for employers who have a certain number of employees
18) Put the power of trade negotiating in the hands of businesses, leaving gov't out of the process, but have gov't guidelines that must be followed when negotiating with foreign entities that would include: tax policies that are friendly for both the business and the potential customer, import export taxes, and a one time flat tax payed to the gov't for allowing this private negotiating.
19) Take better care of our borders
20) Elected officials cannot be or have been members of the following: The UN, Bilderbergs, CFR, Tri-Lat Commission, Any Think-Tank, The Carlyle Group, OPEC, EXXON-Mobile, Teamsters Union, Any Mafia relations, and the same politicians will not be allowed to serve more than two consecutive terms as is defined by the constitution.

Now, with the above being said, the american people should be willing to sacrifice also. This means not spending above your means because bankruptcy will be too hard to file for once new laws are put into place!

Saving your money instead of wasting it. Stop trying to keep up with the Jones'! And by all means, get out and find a job, cause there will be plenty of them when the system gets revamped!

But the above will never happen because mankind cannot overcome these 3 simple things: Lust, Greed, and Selfishness!


reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 12:15 AM by GreenBicMan
reply to post by fatboyinternational



We are trying to do that with Natural Gas right now.

It's not going well. There is a LOT OF MONEY in having it that way, as if you need to be told that.


reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 01:14 AM by GreenBicMan
reply to post by fatboyinternational



Im pretty sure there is already a plan for implementation, but I really do not know much about it. Im not saying that cant work either. It could work better, I have no idea, but IMO there is a bigger org. for Nat. Gas lobbyists, accredited investments already established, etc.



reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 01:40 AM by SJE98
First .there is no immediate solution. You must grow an economy from within and make it expensive to business out of the country.

number one can be done now. number two will be hard ,but it can be done.

1-Taxes must be reduced across the board. This will get the economy rolling now.

2-China must release their currency on the world markets. This will level the playing field worldwide. It might even end cheap labor in foreign markets.

Long term trade policies.

3-Reduce future trade with china. India etc. This can be done by imposing 35% fees on imports, thus forcing manufacturing back to the U.S.A. Also add an extra tax for out of the county labor, like customer service centers in India and abroad that serve the U.S.A consumer markets. Maybe 40% tax on each foreign worker they hire to service U.S customers. Thus forcing those jobs back to the U.S. Market.

4-Incentives to move manufacturing back to the U.S.A. it could be tax breaks, or whatever as long as it gets them to move back. If U.S manufactures choose to continue manufacturing in china or where ever, there could be an additional out of county manufacturing tax imposed in addition to the 35% import fees for the merchandise being shipped here. Also impose additional docking fees at the port. got a container with goods for the u.s market. charge an addition fee based on weight.

5-China and other countries buy a lot of recycled metals from the U.S Markets. Impose a recycle tax or fee for these materials leaving all U.S. territories. China is a country that is not rich in natural resources. So this would have very good impact.

6-No more lobbyist involved in foreign trade matters of any kind.

7-Stop propping big business up. If to big to fail business can’t make it now. they won’t make it in the future.

8-Our government needs to get out of the automotive business .

9 -The U.S Small business administration should lend real cash. This should have been part the stimulus package with a very low interest loan. This would create needed job now.

10-Nancy Pelosi must be voted out of office along with the vast majority of the them.


Yup , investors will loose some cash in the stock markets for a short time. but who ever guaranteed you returns in the first place. Look on the bright side though. your helping your country.

The Future.

The U.S. might bring some manufacturing jobs back , but not all. The days are gone with small appliance factories and such. Our nation needs to concentrate on energy technologies for the future. With that other technologies will emerge and more jobs will be created.

This country does have a need for cheaper energy and so do other countries. We can develop these technologies thus creating jobs from energy and what-ever new markets emerge from this. The technologies developed and jobs created for the future from the energy sector must remain in the U.S. not out-sourced to china or any country for that matter. It must not be monopolized by big energy corporations or future type Enron companies. Cap and Trade does not belong in this new emerging market at all, it will just things up mess up.

There are many other emerging industries on the horizon ( don’t have time to list them all) .We as a nation must be act on the energy market first and be the leader in this sector worldwide.



That’s all I have for now.


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reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 10:37 AM by I Hate Trolls 2
a post by Zosynspiracy had this to say:
Put all those people out of work into farming. ... we need to add value to the economy. We need to trend away from consumerism and get back to industry and innovation.


a post by apacheman had this to say:
the super-wealthy aren't in it for the money, since by definition, the money is meaningless to them. They are in the wealth-building game for the ego boost. ...
They don't provide jobs ...
They don't innovate: innovation brings change, and that's the last thing they want; they are far more likely to kill innovation than create it.


Both these posts mention the word 'innovation', whereas no other posts do! I commend them for it; star for them!

As zosynspiracy says, we need to add value to the economy. Not cash, but value.

Playing with tax policies, business laws or cash policies like inflation all follow strict rules of a zero sum game. Value that is lost by one player is gained by another. Its a dog eat dog system. Innovation, on the other hand, creates value that wasnt previously there!

But, what really is innovation? per wikipedia, Innovation is a new way of doing something or "new stuff that is made useful".

3 major innovations that took place a decade ago and were largely responsible for the economic prosperity in the US at the time were: advances in computer hardware/software, database, telcoms.
A world wide demand was created out of thin air, putting value in the economy of those countries that capitalized.

Unfortunately, really no additional significant innovations have occurred since that time. The Bush oil types all got jealous seeing so many more millionaires emerge from the tech sector, until issued stock options were required to be declared as corporate expenditures, which reduced incentive.

And, instead of creating innovation, companies like microsoft bought out and destroyed their competition like a typical monopoly, making deals with hardware vendors stipulating that they do not disclose the programming code that makes their hardware work to anyone else except Microsoft, and generally making a business out of creating and marketing buzzwords. Moreover, venture capital groups unwittingly determine the direction of their investments largely by these buzzwords.

Recently, Offshoring and efficiency have become the buzzwords, and Cloud Computing (the cloud which floats above these offshore countries ). So, these venture Capital firms for the sake of efficiency are all flocking to invest in sun belt countries to make a quick buck. The value that is added to the sun belt countries economy is what would have been added to our own. In the short term this works for them. But, they will continue to want to see profit gains and they wont see them, because they truly do not understand the concept of innovation. Efficiency does not necessarily lead to innovation. Infact, efficiency creates a state of mind that stifles innovation!

The GUI and ability to 'cut and paste', using a mouse or pointer, was a good innovation. The guy who created the mouse wasn't in a 'fight or flight' state of mind that is inherent to the, for example, Japanese style efficiency of 'crack of a whip'. He just thought, 'hey this looks like it will work' and did it.

The Japanese in the 80s failed to capitalize on digital technology, instead obsessed with making their analog tech more efficient, per Demmings teachings of quality control. Lately, the Japanese have been aggressively making things like Chinese puzzle-boxes out of pc cases and robots that play violin. But, their cars were innovative..

In general, a survival mode of existence does not foster the higher level creativity required for innovation
I dont think it can be forced.

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