How would you solve the unemployment crisis?

reply to post by Lkelly1965


And talking about taxes, inflation is also a tax. If the money supply doubles, you income decreases by half.So far the FED has kept the prices from rising drastically, after pumping so much money into the system, that they printed out of thin air and are charging us interest on, the inflation is going to take place, just not this minute.and when they drop the anvil it is really going to drop, that's why they are talking about American citizens in the future rioting over food and water.

reply to post by SaturnFX



I have an idea. How about take all the money the USA gives to other countries all over the world, and all the money the US spends on military, for JUST 1 year and give back to the tax payers. Imagine takinig... guessing here: 5 Trillion bucks and cutting it up to all of us. I for one would most buy more things and invest. More money would be flowing for goods and services. That might help. My 2 cents

Originally posted by 5 oClock
reply to post by GreenBicMan

 

The OP was asking ATS what they'd do to correct this mess. I'm no socialist but, if we cut every tax funded program there wouldn't be enough machinery to bury the dead. That would truly be sad.

How much does a shovel cost. Why should the government be burying dead people? We have a government that does too much and taxes us to death already.

Originally posted by seattletruth


Another possibility which is a horrible idea would be to kill off 10 percent of the population.. It would open up tons of jobs for advancement and initial jobs...

Why only 10%, weren't the bilderbergs talking about 95%.With 95% of the population gone we could go back to living off the land, hunter gatherer style.or at least they could, we of course would be dead.

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About the many "dont import stuff" suggestions.

Although I can clearly see how this would be a decent way to get jobs, I also do consider the general world.

My biggest issue is the exporting of technical jobs...like getting tech support from india or south korea.

I think if they want our mundane shoe making manufacturing jobs, they can have em, but we need to keep every technical job on our soil..
The west needs to get back up to the top in advancement and technology...focus on the companys that hire programmers abroad when there are plenty of programmers here that are more than qualified for the position. Offset the savings by hiring abroad with a variable tax based on standard profession taxing so the savings is either non-existant or minimal. in return, we can happily support manufacturing from china or elsewhere while becoming the "smarter" nations.

Sorry, the whole Made in the USA thing is simplistic to me and without any real long term viability...but I am in favor of "Supported by Americans" philosophy... (also, I see their are very few differences between America, Canada, and the UK (and maybe australia, but they are going a bit odd lately))...perhaps a new trade pact with these nations for free flowing information, trade, and citizens and seriously clamp down on any tech jobs going outside those borders.

I still say though that the free block and brick for a year for active projects is a winner. materials cost is quite often a limiting factor for really big projects to kick off. Perhaps every 10 years this can happen for a year so we have clockwork spikes in construction and reconstruction...would you pay a extra 2% in taxes a year for a booming economy and a freshly built state? I would...hell, increase it 5% if the country becomes rebuilt and maintained perfectly.

reply to post by m khan


I didn't say the Gov. would bury the dead. So there's more jobs right there.
Please read some of my posts on this subject, guess I pissed someone else off now.

Yeah! The Gov. is toooo big. I agree

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Originally posted by Illuminated_1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I have an idea. How about take all the money the USA gives to other countries all over the world, and all the money the US spends on military, for JUST 1 year and give back to the tax payers. Imagine takinig... guessing here: 5 Trillion bucks and cutting it up to all of us. I for one would most buy more things and invest. More money would be flowing for goods and services. That might help. My 2 cents

cutting taxes...even eliminating taxes will not create jobs.

if they cut my taxes, I would get a few extra bucks on my paycheck...it would help me perhaps buy a bit more stuff here and there and most of that stuff I buy comes from china anyhow, so it wouldn't really boost the jobs rate...my ISP would be happy, and perhaps a spike in fedex from stuff being delivered to me due to my online shopping.

As far as Joe Billionare getting a mega tax cut...he wont start hiring people because he has extra money...you dont go into business to help people, you go into business to make a mint. Part of that is cutting costs, no matter what the profits are. shareholders are not known for their giving nature and if you start hiring tons of people for no reason whatsoever, your business will lose value and the shareholders will have your head on a pike.

Cutting taxes is a nice sounding talking point that offers little more than the continued social program slashing that the low/middle class benefit from. aka, cutting taxes actually hurts us. Economic majors agree to this, politicians disagree..choose who you believe yourself, I tend to go with science and numbers verses politically motivated talking heads and lobbiests

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[edit on 7-2-2010 by SaturnFX]

i would legalize all narcotics
that would bring a whole industry.

i would put in place an research groups to estimate % of likely desieses wich would come from using hard drugs and people doing it would be required to pay more for health care

i would invest alot in recycling and build alot of such plants where people sort garbage and recycle it back to use.

reinstate glass seagel act

hire people to guard the borders , inspect cargo ships etc.

Originally posted by Bicent76
I would either focus on farming..

r...

That is actually a very good idea, but have you noticed that the government is making life difficult for small farmers and they probably won't hold out much longer against big farma which is growing gm foods that destroy your liver and kidney. If you want to live it might be wise to take a look at what's happening in Congress. We seem to have totally lost control of Congress , they seem to legislate whatever big money wants.

Originally posted by Illuminated_1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I have an idea. How about take all the money the USA gives to other countries all over the world, and all the money the US spends on military, for JUST 1 year and give back to the tax payers. Imagine takinig... guessing here: 5 Trillion bucks and cutting it up to all of us. I for one would most buy more things and invest. More money would be flowing for goods and services. That might help. My 2 cents

To say you are off a bit is quite the understatement - the US spent 36 billion on foreign aid last year and about 1 trillion on military spending.

The government took in 2.1 trillion total in income but spent about 3.5 trillion. A deficit of 1.4 trillion

That means if we spent nothing on foreign aid or the military we still would have run a deficit of 400 billion. So if the government were to do exactly what you are suggesting, every American citizen would still owe another 1300 bucks just to balance the budget.

Oh by the way we owe 300 billion a year right now in interest on the national debt - and the rates are only going to go up.

Also we are now taking in less money for medicare and Social security than we are outlaying, with the number climbing rapidly due to the baby boomers retiring.

Don't get me wrong - I am pretty much in favor of doing what you suggest, but you need to realize it will not come close to fixing the problem.

Originally posted by reassor
i would legalize all narcotics
that would bring a whole industry.

i would put in place an research groups to estimate % of likely desieses wich would come from using hard drugs and people doing it would be required to pay more for health care

i would invest alot in recycling and build alot of such plants where people sort garbage and recycle it back to use.

reinstate glass seagel act

hire people to guard the borders , inspect cargo ships etc.

all...narcotics..

thats a pretty good way to end the job crisis actually...extinction will certainly make a person not care much about the job rate. ..and would certainly cure other things, like pollution, overpopulation, etc


Would you be comfortable knowing the pilot on the plane is legally tripping on acid, that the person doing heart surgery is on heroin, or the teacher thats teaching the latest best and brightest is on shrooms or has to run to the bathroom for some crack?

highly addictive drugs cannot be regulated...watch the monkey experiment where the monkey had a neverending supply of coc aine and food...the monkey died from starvation...the addiction took over every thought, every action. People = monkeys with restraints.

Class A drugs are bad, m-kay

In a perfect world I'd:

Teach people WILLING to learn "usable and marketable skills and trades..."

The people that are still thriving that I know personally are involved in things like ranching,farming,welding,mechanic work,HVAC,woodworking,stone masonry,electrical,plumbing,etc.

If you can do some math,work with your hands and brain,amd have some work ethics,you will ALWAYS be able to "find work!" It's the trades that are suffering currently: the "kids" are all sold and buy into the 4+ years of college (yes,I do firmly believe in eductaion but also in being able to work once you have a degree as well...) and don't want to or are simply too lazy to do some sweating and get physical in order to earn HOW to "do something" they might make a good living out of!

Give small business and "cottage business" startups incentives,tax breaks,and even interest-free or low interest loans.

Set up more "trade schools" with say 18 month course so that someone who wants to learn how to "do something" tangible has the opportunity to do so.

I have friends who sew,bake,create art,garden,and the like and they too are making money" in a tough economy! With SO much being said (and I agree!) about "not buying foreign-made products and not importing so much", it stands to reason that IF there were incentives for people her to start producing goods and consequently providing services again on a small scale that the potential for the "bigger companies" down the line that would employ more people woud be a possibility?

Give small business owners a freakin' break: stop taxing themto death,keep the unemployment and workmanscomp BS to a minimum so they are ABLE to keep more employees working full time.

The people I know WANT to work and aren't afraid to get dirty: we have gotten SO Far away from the ethics and abilities that truly built a lot of what "was" our country and culture...learn to do something that can make you money and give people more of a chance to learn.Apprentice-ships are almost dead in the water...

dont be silly ... alcohol is lagal and yet you dont see pilots or surgeons doing thier jobs under influence

reply to post by SaturnFX

Unemployment is merely a symptom of a problem. One more level deep from unemployment is lack of spending. And the problems of lack of spending is because excessive debts have drained purchasing power in the US. Basically, the one and only solution to employment is to pay down the debts and then replace the US dollar with free market currencies.

Look at the Soviet Union. It showed that unemployment doesn't mean anything in a government-controlled system. Everyone was both employed, and piss poor at the same time. That is why employment does not matter that much. They matter individually to us, but for an economy jobs don't mean a whole lot. Jobs only mean something when they are doing something that the free market demands. Then jobs matter, and the way you create those is simply by leaving people alone.

The only thing we can do to help the economy is to eliminate the one and only root cause of the collapse: excessive debts. However, the US government is making the economic problem so much worse so fast the federal government will probably collapse. And that would be a good thing if it ends up breaking back into 50 pieces. They can institute a new policy of no more debt because its immoral and illegal to be sucking wealth from the citizens any way.

Solutions:
1. Pay down debts.
2. Leave people alone (don't steal their well-earned money).

If the United States government wants a war they can learn to save up! They've been around well over 200 years now... maybe its time they learned.

Originally posted by Yandros
Umm abolish government?

Yes. Abolish the FED and the WAR and the UN and let the Government know what we the people want.It is the FED that created this crisis. It is the FED that is destroying our economy with a little help from the President doing the Fed's bidding of course. and from Congress making laws to break the backs of the taxpayers. and making decisions to destroy the economy. We really can't abolish the government because without it we would have chaos and that is what they want, an excuse to fire on us.

Originally posted by SaturnFX


So, lets say you have been voted in as...whatever...POTUS, Prime Minister, Emperor, whatever...and you were met with what the world is at this very moment. You got to get unemployment under 4% by years end else the natives will come with torches and pitchforks...what would you do to get people back to work like..tomorrow.

I already did this 25 years ago... so now it's your turn.

All you ladies who are working a traditional man's job and still have a man to take care of you need to give that job up and find yourself a lesser paying job. If you can get by without working... better think about that possibility also.

reply to post by proximo


Yeah I guess I didnt think that one through. However, Thank you for enlightening me.

How would I solve the unemployment crisis?:

I would first and for most get rid of the Federal Reserve. No point in having a 3rd party print and regulate our currency. I would give money creation powers back to the people. By doing this we would create an interest free, constitutionally based currency.

Secondly I would allow a free market to work. If a business, a bank, ect is failing, allow it to fail! It's not socialism, it's a free market, or it's supposed to be anyways.

3rdly, I'd get rid of trade agreements that hurt our country like NAFTA. I would not encourage our jobs to go over seas. I would follow through with tax incentives for staying in the states and try to create a competitive environment in a world economy.

Another good idea is to balance the budget. I'd recommend shutting down non critical over sea bases. Stop playing police man overseas. With the excess money it can help pay off our loans and have some left over to further help with social programs whiles the recovery is under way.

The fed is printing money/creating digital money like it's toilet paper. We have to get a hold on inflation. Did your grandfather or grandmother ever complain about the price of bread, the price of gas, ect, about how gas used to be 10 cents a gallon. I used to think this was because they were grumpy old people. Then when I understood history and inflation I realized the story my grandparents told me was a perfect example of inflation! The buying power of the dollar is nothing that it was when my grandparents were my age.

A basic economical principle is that the more of anything you have in circulation the less value it has. This is true with our dollar, especially since we have a fiat money system.

I'd end the "Drug War". I'd stop wasting tax payer dollars on non-violent drug offenders, especially on pot smokers. I'd restrain the DEA from interfering with states rights. With the saved money, I'd put it into public works programs and paying off the trillions we owe.

I'd have a truly fair tax system, I'd get rid of the IRS and the income tax. Of course we need taxes but getting rid of the IRS and the income tax would help a lot of hard working Americans have more money. This will go a lot further than any Bush tax cuts or any cuts the Obama administration will throw our way.

There is something wrong when some pour people pay a higher percentage out of their paycheck then a guy who makes millions. The poor keep getting poorer and the rich, richer anyone?

I'd focus on actual defense and dismantle the military industrial complex.

I'd end the so called "War on Terror". No sense in having our people die for oil and the corporations.

These are a few ideas, I may add some more later.




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reply to post by SaturnFX



Some good thoughts there SaturnFX.

My take: Let's try some trickle-up economics. Forget the trickle down crud; it doesn't work. The Big Boyz just pocket the cash.

I believe that one should look at history, and see what has worked in the past. What has been shown over and over, is that when people get to keep more of their wages, they spend more. That creates openings and opportunities for small businesses to start, and creates a need for hiring. You would think this is some complicated strategy or something. Stop taxing people to death, and they spend more.

We already know this is a consumer driven economy. That is agreed on by everyone. So, do something that give people the ability to keep more of their money to spend. Lower taxes, take away endless regulations holding back small businesses, and watch the economy grow.


And you people that think this take from the rich , and give to the poor crapola will work, you've been listening to liberals too much. there are greedy companies out there, that squeeze every dime they can from consumers. But there are millions of companies out there who make an honest profit, and treat their employees good. Profit is not a dirty word. Who do you thionk is supposed to hire people, the government??? Businesses, both large and small hire people, they need the opportunity to succeed. The government needs to get off their back. That's the simple answer of how to increase jobs in America. it has worked in the past, and it will work again, given the chance.

These large corporations that got government bailouts, should rot in hades for what they have done. But we still need the rest of the business world to exist so we all can have a job.


If you want redistribution of wealth, go to a communist country and have a great day. We need the risk, and reward for effort to remain at the core odf our business system. it's called capitalism. If you want a socialist form of society, go live in Cuba, or North Korea. Then you can let the leaders take all your hard earned wages, and give them to people who produce nothing, and then see how you like it. get real...grow up...

This whole jobs thing is so simple. get the government out of the way, and let business do what it does best. The jobs will oppen up, and people will have some money to spend again.