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Could anyone please post something about the best way to decalsify (spell?) the P gland?
Where to buy what online, how to do it by yourself and so on.
I checked iodine but there are many different kind and it gets difficult.
Fastest, cheapest and best way to do this?
I allready downloaded the sounds.

I know its difficult to talk about this without mentioning drugs..i can only say that i got a very very good look by doing two ibogaine trips in like 3 years time...and it was amazing. (ibogaine not illegal everywere)

regards

Great thread. I like to think that the story of the Tower of Babel my somehow relate to the lost "third eye" abilties that humans possesed. The story depicts all humans as speaking the same language before the Tower is destroyed and man is scattered.

I've read a little bit about the "green language" and the "language of the birds". I have to wonder if they are somehow related also.

Seem that so much of our history is hidden from us.

If I can also suggest that Bio-photon emmitted from each cells DNA may also be related to ancient pineal gland function. Just throwing that out there..

Again, great thread.

Originally posted by downisreallyup
SOUL = mind, will, and emotions. The soul is the collection of thoughts and emotional memories that make up our conscious and unconscious mind.

Souls are basic indestructible lifeforms. There are greater lifeforms outside the soul, yet I say "basic" just try to describe why it exists the way it does.

SPIRIT = the actual ethereal substance that makes up our life force. The spirit actually exists as an entity in the spiritual realm.

Since souls are "basically" indestructible, there are no words to describe what is inside the soul. That is part of the "indestructible" nature of the soul that it can't be described easily in words. It's protection. The spirit commonly about exists as an extension of life-force on the outside of the soul. It is not the life-force itself, however.

To use a metaphor, if the spirit is a piece of paper, then the soul is the words written on that paper. Whereas all spirits are essentially the same, being composed of the same spiritual material that the Creator is made of, each soul is unique, being an imprint of that person's complete life experience history. Since no two lives are exactly identical, no two souls are identical.

That sounds more like you described the heart, as in "heart and soul."

The word "soul" is psyche in Greek and nephesh in Hebrew, both meaning "mind." It is an interesting coincidence that in English the only difference between WIND and MIND is the orientation of the first letter (W or M). So, souls are not really tangible, but are a collection of remembered associations. That is the nature of souls... they are vestiges of past actions.

Direction of letters also describe the direction of the concept, not that the soul is the mind yet the concepts of the mind originate from the soul, or that the mind's concepts originate from the soul. Good enough description.

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Can someone please explain to me, what happens to a person once they get there pineal gland removed.... It has happened numerous times before, and the people still function normally. I doubt it is the seat of the soul.

Function normally? It really depends on your definition of normal in my opinion, if normal to you is being led blindly by others then carry on. Some of us prefer to be the masters of our own destiny, free will is a wonderous thing.
[edit on 6-2-2010 by Resentedhalo08]

Removal of pineal gland automatically handicaps you in many ways. Similar to removal of your thumbs, you can never again function normal. I do not think there is a physical place for soul, not in this world - your body is your most sacred temple and must be properly cared for. We however tend to defile it which depresses the soul.

Also, I think one who is master of his own destiny has reached a full awareness of god, is one with god, knows who he is and thus knows everything. Without that, I think, you're hardly a master of anything.

Also don't mix mind with soul. Mind does not define you, but it can affect you in many ways. You can have a very talented mind, but your mind is not you, meaning you are still not talented yourself. Just like a muscular thug is arrogant and aggressive, in the same way people with higher intelligence and ideologies tend to be. People with lesser intelligence get ridiculed, bullied and tortured by their 'superiors' - being smart or stupid has little to do with soul. An old soul will know that it can do incredibly stupid things regardless how smart its body is.

By the way nice music dzonatas .

I would like to plead with people on this thread to avoid entangling this wonderful topic with the use of drugs or any other kinds of intoxications. Yes DMT will be mentioned but let us deal with internal chemical release and refrain from thinking that life is subject to some kind of quick fix. If you are looking to enhance your Pineal Gland via the introduction of substances into your body than I feel you are on the wrong track. Yes science has concluded that certain substances will have certain effects and some of these substances, like Ibogaine, have been used for centuries by Shamans or other spiritual people to enhance visionary journeys but it is naïve to think you can take many years of experience and tradition and apply it to this thread in a valid way, it is I feel nothing but dangerous as some of the posts here seem to imply the pros outweigh the cons and I worry that people will try something on the back of “loose” advice. If the need to discuss these kinds of substances persists than I think creating a new thread on specific substances is necessary, but please take note of ATS rules regarding drugs.

That being said I do think that humans have been trying for years to replicate the lost sensations via the use of substances for some time. “E” for example is very similar in chemical make up to Serotonin which is released via Pineal Gland. Maybe the lack of knowledge regarding the purpose of the Pineal Gland is the reason why many are turning to drugs in a bid get high. The greatest high will be the natural high from within. The ingredients are there in our bodies already… all we need to do is understand the facts more clearly.

I feel this thread will be best served by dealing with the Pineal Gland in a factual way and by investigating how, if possible we can use natural ways to increase the health of our Pineal Glands. I will search for information on why I think the Pineal Gland is our biggest hope with regards to taking our next evolutionary step or maybe I should say with regards to putting mankind back in tune with the nature around him/her.

I am convinced that Sun Spots, solar flare and coronal mass ejections (EMC’s) directly affect our Pineal Glands and that what happens in our solar system and universe is in direct relation to what and who we are.

I believe that we as a race (human race) are out of tune and instinct is asking us to retune. This will include the food we eat, the water we drink and the way we live. Understanding the Pineal Gland will help us to understand our purpose or at least create a higher level of wellbeing throughout humanity.

Peace.


[edit on 7-2-2010 by Phantasmagoria]

Wow! thanks ATS, my thread has made front page I think it's great that such a subject is getting recognised on here, it is something which everyone should have a good understanding of!

Thanks for all the replies and I shall begin discussing the pineal gland and other interesting related ideas shortly! Once I have myself a nice drink...

Originally posted by Phantasmagoria
If the need to discuss these kinds of substances persists than I think creating a new thread on specific substances is necessary, but please take note of ATS rules regarding drugs.

There is an impossibility that exist about attempts to not talk about drugs, and that exists with natural and organic drugs that are commonly present in everyday food and environment. These are needed, naturally.

What we can avoid is the discussion of synthetic and non-organic drugs and more specifically any promotion of them that would breech the T&C.

I will search for information on why I think the Pineal Gland is our biggest hope with regards to taking our next evolutionary step or maybe I should say with regards to putting mankind back in tune with the nature around him/her.

Food is a drug, these are natural drugs. Anything that is eaten and develops the body can be considered a "mind-altering substance" by scientific means. Let's not throw away our basic physical reality over confusion of what is natural and not natural. =)

[edit on 7-2-2010 by dzonatas]

Originally posted by Lee_K

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Seriously...... If the pineal gland gets removed(and the person is fine afterwards), then that’s proof that the pineal gland isn’t an important part of the brain. Well it’s important but not as important as other regions/receptors. For that reason it is not the seat of the soul.

Or is it possible that you just become a "dead soul" so to speak. Someone who cannot think on a higher level. Monkey see, monkey do?

So you’re honestly saying people that don’t have a pineal gland, don’t have souls.... Are you serious?

Originally posted by Maddogkull

Originally posted by Lee_K

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Seriously...... If the pineal gland gets removed(and the person is fine afterwards), then that’s proof that the pineal gland isn’t an important part of the brain. Well it’s important but not as important as other regions/receptors. For that reason it is not the seat of the soul.

Or is it possible that you just become a "dead soul" so to speak. Someone who cannot think on a higher level. Monkey see, monkey do?

So you’re honestly saying people that don’t have a pineal gland, don’t have souls.... Are you serious?

I think you may have taken the words "dead soul" a bit too literally, what I think the poster above was saying is your soul connection would become "disassociated", not that they don't have souls but they would have great difficulty in accessing their higher self and our higher functions.

Originally posted by Maddogkull
So you’re honestly saying people that don’t have a pineal gland, don’t have souls.... Are you serious?

I think the "seat of the soul" came from a mixture of the gland being very similar to the retina and the old stories of other creatures that might inhabit the mind, thus being a "seat" for their soul.

For example, look at Stargate series and the concept of how the Goa'uld "sit" in the brain. Doesn't matter if you think the show is fiction or not, it's just the concept that helps describe... that helps communicate the idea.

[edit on 7-2-2010 by dzonatas]

Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by Maddogkull
So you’re honestly saying people that don’t have a pineal gland, don’t have souls.... Are you serious?

I think the "seat of the soul" came from a mixture of the gland being very similar to the retina and the old stories of other creatures that might inhabit the mind, thus being a "seat" for their soul.
[edit on 7-2-2010 by dzonatas]

Sorry, can you explain that a little more?