Originally posted by ChiForceI agree. Most people do not know what to do when you meditate. You meditate in order to release the energy or Chi inside your body. This way, you can get connected with the world, the spirit, and the universe. During the act of meditation, you focus on nothing than one single object. It could be anything (an image, the light you see with your inner eyes, a sound, or your breathing). If you want to get more specific, you focus on the location of each of the Chakra. The purpose? To physically feel the release of the life energy, inside you. They take the form of heat sensation along the spinal cord. You see these energy as lights too, with various colors. If a prayer does not accomplish the release of this life energy, it is not meditation.

I've heard "Life is Kung Fu" - I never realized what this meant until recently.
Meditation should be mandatory in all schools.

What an excellent thread! I was inspired to google the pineal gland after reading Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol" and this popped up. I've read the entire thread and found it fascinating - thank you to everyone who has put their energy and time in to educating and inspiring those of us who are yearning for a global awakening. Can anyone provide more insight on the link between noetic science and the pineal gland?

Any information is greatly appreciated, be that evidence-based, experiential or opinion-based.

Thank you.

People have this the wrong way around, you do not "activate" it like you do a machine, it activates itself when your thoughts and intents are pure. That being said, there are many distractions in our modern world that prevent us from seeing the light.

Originally posted by calstorm
I am a lucid dreamer but my sleep cycles are completely out of whack. I wonder how this information can be used to treat insomnia? Interestingly enough, I got extremely fatigued while reading this.

I suffer from a similar complaint. If I miss sleep by an hour I could be up for another day or two before I can get back to sleep, then once I sleep I sleep for 16 - 17 hours straight. On a more mundane note if you got tired when reading this you might need glasses. Sometimes its the most simple solutions that should be looked at.

Originally posted by atonement
What an excellent thread! I was inspired to google the pineal gland after reading Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol" and this popped up. I've read the entire thread and found it fascinating - thank you to everyone who has put their energy and time in to educating and inspiring those of us who are yearning for a global awakening. Can anyone provide more insight on the link between noetic science and the pineal gland?

Any information is greatly appreciated, be that evidence-based, experiential or opinion-based.

Thank you.

edit on 19-2-2011 by atonement because: said threat WAY too many times lol

I am glad that you have enjoyed reading this thread, I stubbled across the idea's presented in the OP when I was having lots of Lucid Dreams and having lots of spiritual experiences at that time, just over a year ago now

It is my firm belief that the Pineal Gland is not a vestigial remnant, but is still a very crucial part of who we are, it controls our moods and the chemicals that go through our body via the endochrine system, this is merely the physical aspect of the Pineal Gland, IMO it acts as a gateway, a link between the physical and spiritual body/spirit of a person and can be activated on it's spiritual level in a number of ways. Most will do this via meditation, which I now practice on a regular basis, others like myself find it naturally awakening and I think it may be because when people, like ourselves delve into the unknown and open our minds to new possibilities such as this site offers then that can act as a catalyst in the Pineal Glands spiritual awakening and along with it the person in question.

Part 1: The pineal gland is a gland in your brain that has recently been discovered to have a similar chemical makeup to that of the eye, meaning it has a similar structure to the rods and cones that enable you to see. The pineal gland is encased by an aqueous solution containing water mixed with sodium, calcium and many other things including chemicals such as DMT.

Part2: DMT, which many people know has hallucinogenic effects when used as a drug, many people don’t know however, that DMT is very unique in other ways. In laboratory experiments it was found that DMT is capable, when large amounts were solidified as a block, of exhibiting color when kinetic force was applied (such as striking with a hammer). This is common in many other substances however, a normal object always emits the same color light when similar levels of kinetic force are applied. DMT emits different color lights from similar levels of kinetic force. Scientist decided to investigate DMT a little farther with more experiments.

Part 3: Another experiment was done with DMT. DMT derivatives were dissolved into water. The solution was then tested on. One test involved putting the aqueous solution of DMT into a magnetic field and watching. What did they see? They saw very similar effects from the kinetic energy experiment. The solution of DMT was shining different colors at different levels of magnetism, because the dissolved molecules were vibrating at different speeds.

Part 4: What does this even mean? Well, the aqueous solution in your brain contains DMT, and other crystals (such as Na and more) dissolved in water surrounding the gland membrane. This means that the structures similar to that of the rods and cones in your eye may be able to get signals, similar to that of sight, from DMT and other chemicals when they are inside magnetic fields of different strength emitting different color lights.

Part 5: Earth is known to be surrounded by a magnetic field. This field blocks solar wind and other forms of solar radiation by funneling the energy towards the North and South poles. If you live near the North or South Pole you may have heard of the aurora borealis, which are lights that shine in the sky. The lights themselves are proof that this magnetic field contains energy of some kind. The magnetic field is also known to stray into other parts of the world.

Part 6: Humans enter magnetic fields of different levels that the Earth creates all the time. Other science experiments have already shown that the magnetic force and electrical force are tied to the same laws that can manipulate each other. Scientist like Tesla knew that electrical forces are capable of generating magnetic fields as far back as the early 1900’s. Even household electrical products are known to emit their own magnetic fields all the time also. All these things are pointing to the fact that magnetic fields on earth vary widely in location and strength

Part 7: Now lets get abstract. This gland in your brain is able to see the emitted colors at different levels of magnetism. There are different magnetic fields all over the earth. So the gland may be able to receive signals through these magnetic forces by recognizing different colors and patterns. This is one of the first scientific experiments that has shown a mechanism that proves how your brain may receive signals from outside the body. Yes, I know. This seems ridiculous at first but, I’ll show you why its not.

Part 8: For some time it has been known that animals recognize magnetic signals. Sharks can sense magnetic variations in the water. Some schools of fish work in the same way. The fish can sense when other fish move and the whole school turns together accordingly. Birds are also known to fly back to far away places by using the magnetic field as a guide. Biology shows us that life can recognize magnetic fields in some way, so why don’t humans seem to have these skills?

Part9: Fluoride in drinking water is known to calcify the pineal gland, basically turning it to stone and useless. Fluoride is known to help the teeth protect against cavities. Many people argue that fluoride in water is actually a bad thing though. Toothpaste alone is already known to provide adequate levels of fluoride for protection, and nutritional attention has shown us that excess amounts of fluoride are very bad for the teeth anyway. China recently released the worlds 24th separate experiment showing that levels of fluoride in drinking water have been linked to slight depression of intelligence levels, meaning it makes you slightly stupid. Could this be because the pineal gland has become useless? More scientific research needs to be done.

Part 10: Why does the government continue allowing fluoride in the water when it is both unnecessary and possibly harmful to our intelligence levels? Could it perhaps be because they want the pineal glad to be useless?

Part 11: Before I go into the history here, I want to jump back to one more thing that might not have caught your attention. I want to expand on to what I meant by ‘your brain may be able to receive signals outside of your body’. In a nutshell this is showing a scientifically possible scenario where your brain can get information, and maybe even telekinetic signals and signaling from far away places. We hear about all of these stories of people through out history being prophets and other metaphysical stories, but nobody believes the old stories. One argument against psychic abilities is that there are no modern prophets or psychic people known on a grand scale today. The fluoride in water shows why that may be.

Part 12: Why do they call it the pineal gland? Well, think about it. Its name comes from the fact that it is shaped very much like a pinecone. Interestingly enough, no matter where you look in history (Egypt, Greece, Rome, South America, North America, Africa) there is a pinecone used as a symbol. The symbol it self is almost always is shown with the king or ruler. Many people attribute this symbol to knowledge and power. For example, the pharaoh always carried a staff with a pine cone at its tip. Even Native Americans worshiped the pinecone. The fact of the matter is, the pine cone is known to have some kind linkage to knowledge and ruling government in almost all ancient societies

Part 13: Here’s where things get hairy. Although most of the ancient civilizations worshiped the pinecone, many of the civilizations didn’t even have pinecones present in their natural environment. This points to the fact that some of these civilizations would be worshiping a picture of something that they may never have seen before. Well, that doesn’t seem quite right. However, when you insert the above information about the pineal gland to represent the symbol in all of the ancient writings things suddenly get clear. If biologists can use parsimony as a valid argument explaining evolution, then using parsimony here to show that the symbol actually was meant to portray the pineal gland should be considered valid also.

Part 14: The last couple of parts have been a stretch, and the next few bits of information will also be a stretch, but you must remember, as unlikely as this all seems (which is very unlikely) there is at the very least some scientific evidence that shows the pineal gland may be capable of such extraordinary things.

Part 15: Lets expand on this idea just a bit. Maybe it’s possible that the ancients new something about a hypothetic pine cone gland, maybe not. But let me ask you this. If you are American, or know anything about American culture, since when is the pinecone an important symbol to the American people? I’m asking you this because there are certain high-ranking government buildings that have pinecones drawn into various places of the walls. These building have many other drawings sketched into them as well. The drawings are very similar to that seen on the back of the dollar, which shows a pyramid with a floating eye. . . the all seeing eye

Part 16: Modern day American government isn’t the only place that still thinks pinecones are important, if you were to go to the Vatican today, you would see a statue of a pinecone taller than a person standing just outside the building. The pope apparently thought it was important enough to spends lots of money to build. Interesting, the pinecone seems to be a reoccurring event, or pattern if you will. As we all know patterns must be investigated.

Part 17: What’s going on here? Well there seems to be some kind of linkage to the gland, the government, and don’t forget fluoride in water, turning this gland into stone.

Part 18: We are going to get abstract again. Okay as you all know, the pyramids are old. Very old. Scientists have done carbon 14 dating and approximated the age of the pyramids. However, many scientists know that there is a problem with carbon 14 dating due to the fact that it is very easy to get inaccurate readings. Many people think the carbon dating done to the pyramids is also inaccurate. The next thing Egyptian scientists did was call in geologist with PhD’s in geology. The geologists then studied the pyramids to see how weathering and erosion caused them to get to their current state. The result: the sand in the air eroding the pyramids from their original structure would have taken a long time to get them to their current level much, much longer than carbon 14 dating shows. Furthermore, the geologist had a worst case scenario eroding rate, which would have showed the pyramids under water with the water and sand eroding they pyramids at the fastest possible rate, and in this scenario (which is known to be untrue) it still would have taken erosion more than twice as long as they are old to make them how they are now, meaning they must be much older t

) it still would have taken erosion more than twice as long as they are old to make them how they are now, meaning they must be much older then we think.

Part 20: Egyptians were known to have made and used batteries, and possibly even mastered the ability of flight some have said. There are other examples of interesting things going on during ancient times such as the Nazca lines that can only be seen from the air. If the pyramids are actually much older then we think, there is a problem, but the problem makes the former two example make sense The problem being a gap in history, where there is nothing known going on after the Egyptian pyramids. More people believe that this period of nothing may actually be a forgotten part of history. During this forgotten time perhaps there were advancements in technology that allowed these batteries, planes, and pictures from air possible to be used by people. This makes at least some kind of sense.

Part 21: If there ever was a technologically advanced civilization, then the question then becomes what happened to it, why isn’t it here today? This I do not know, but I do know that there were at least some intelligent people who believed in such a technologically advanced history. You can look up various people (such as Hitler) but the one im most concerned with for this argument is Edgar Casey, an interesting fellow.

Part 22: If you don’t know about Edgar Casey, he was a man in the early 1900’s who went mute, he didn’t talk for 2 years. Finally, after medicine had failed him, he went to hypnosis and he got hypnotized. While being hypnotized he entered an altered “sleep” state and was capable of predicting many things. He predicted oil, stock, all kinds of things; even the government went to him for advice. He ended up getting a secretary and recording all of his hypnosis interviews as people consulted him with more and more questions. At some point during his career people asked him how he knew all of the information, and he said that he was communicating through his mind with people from a long ago past advanced civilization. Although this seems highly unlikely or even possible, the pineal gland is something science has brought us towards finding a mechanism for such things to (maybe) exist. If you think about the scientific evidence behind the pineal gland, the historical context of it in ancient society, and the fact that America and the Vatican today both seem to think the pine cone is important, then things get creepy.

Part 23: There is a known notion that there is a secret society of people who run things. The New World Order some call them, others call them Illuminati, and even others call them the Free Masons. Well there is a place in Oregon called bohemian grove. It is a place owned by the government, and it does not allow visitors in. On regular intervals, high ranking people, meaning big business owners, government officials, and even officials from other countries meet up there. In fact, there was a reporter who took a plane over this territory and parachuted down in a tuxedo and posed as an important person. Although he got kicked out after the first day, he got interesting film footage. The footage shows all of the businessmen meeting up and worshiping an owl in a cerimony. Yes, an owl. This is strange, but if you think about it, college men, and women, at times do interesting things when pledging a fraternity. Imagine pledging into a secret society of people that’s been around for hundreds of years, I bet the process is very interesting to say the least. (you can look the film up on youtube) The meeting of these higher up people is about a 2 week long process, and it only happens every few years. Many people speculate that they meet up and discuss business deals and possibly even warfare that allows themselves to get more wealthy and powerful. These people are thought to be the New World Order, Free Masons, Iluminati, Knights of Templar and it goes all the way back in history. They know something we don’t, specifically about that gland, and that’s why they don’t want the rest of society knowing about it. They have it all for themselves.

Part 24: Look at history, the Catholic church limited the growth of science by the Spanish inquisition. Even today people think the government has the cure for cancer, aids, and maybe even better uses of energy where we don’t have to rely on oil anymore. Many people already know that Fox News is so incredibly inaccurate, its basically brainwashing us all. Who is to say that all of the news isn’t being controlled by them. There may be reasons why the communist manifesto is illegal. What happened to freedom of speech? Let me ask you this. Sept 11 was done by Osama bin lad right? Well, when the Navy Seals killed him, they entered a complex where there was only 1 man armed with a pistol and it wasn’t even Bin Laden. Do you think it was h

Well, when the Navy Seals killed him, they entered a complex where there was only 1 man armed with a pistol and it wasn’t even Bin Laden. Do you think it was hard for Americas most advanced team to infiltrate that facility where one man was armed? Definitely not. The problem is that a lot of people think 9/11 was a conspiracy. Okay, I don’t believe it myself, but I like to hear both sides. The fact of the matter is that no matter where we look at American influence we always see America debating with other countries convincing the people not to kill a dictator when the people rebel. And a lot of times, the country puts the dictor on trial, because America wants the people to atleast give him a fair trial. Well, we couldn’t even put Bin Laden on trial. Even if Bin Laden went on trial, we would have found him guilty and probably executed him, but for some reason we didn’t put him on trial. Instead we killed him, even when he wasn’t armed. We murdered him, without a trial. Why? Because we didn’t want him to say something.

Part 25: There are people on the world that know things even hide things from the rest of the world. Nobody wants to believe it, but that’s the problem. If nobody even looks into this matter they allow it to continue happening if its actually true. I know this is a lot to take in. Who knows, maybe its not true at all. But we have to pay at least some attention to this, because if it were to be true, everyone is in trouble. There needs to be more scientific research about the pineal gland.

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Okay so what im wondering is... if you open the pineal gland is this a act against god.. if you go on youtube many budha or whatever people who worship many gods or cosmic gods and say they spiritually take on the form of other beings... and in the bible it says satan will con you and say anything blah blah blah these are demons blah blah blah.... and in the bible it say that satan tricks the adam and eve to eat of the forbidden fruit which would open their eyes to knowledge and blah blah blah which infact in hebrew eyes is actually singular so it actually states that it would open your eye maybe refering to the third eye.. and if any of you are familiar to the all seeing eye on the pyramid this is obvioulsy a very largely satanic symbol and if you type in satanic meditations on google their you will to find information on opening the third eye.... their is also the other saying from the bible who who bears the mark on ones forehead (which is where the third eye is located at) or ones palm/hand will go to hell.... so i know that opening the pineal gland is awesome it can increase your intellegence it can make you choose the right pathways in life it can make you sense other people if there bad or good which can also save a lot of negative times in your life.. with all this stuff entering the akashic records, atral projections, and OBE's....... i'm just wondering... is it worth it.... if i do all this to benefit my life even if i help other people in the process is it worth going to hell.... i dont think anyone will be able to answer this question..... and i dont expect anyone to...... but PLEASE someone answer my damn question... i just dont see if you can benefit your life why would god say NO go to hell.....

isnt the pineal calcified by the time we are young adults?

its easy for spiritual persons to proclaim they have decalfiied/detoxed,

but how do we really know?

and whats used besides yoga/meditation? chelation? msm/sulfur? raw greens, spring water, antioxidants, citric, vinegar w. mother.. sunlight, melatonin(synthetic?)

Yes, thanks for the post.

Does anybody know how one rids the gland of the calcium growth caused by flauride int he water.

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