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reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 01:36 PM by Phlynx
Originally posted by endisnighe
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What you describe here is not an anarchist form of governance. It is actually more a non centralized republic with smaller forms of local governance.

Something like what the US is supposed to have.

A true anarchist state of governance would have absolutely no centralized governance with only small feudal or community organization. Even just a family or individual being the largest form of governance.


There are many different forms of Anarchism. It is hard to find just one, but I think my views fit in with Anarchism.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 01:39 PM by Phlynx
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
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The only authority I agree is the authority who has equal power and rights of the people. Someone like a blacksmith, or a parent. A lead engineer. They gain there authority they aren't given more rights than anyone else.


So then actually you are more of a meritocrat where authority is granted by demonstrated competence.


Kind of, but no one gets more say than the other. They have the same rights, but some get by farther because they are better at certain things.



reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 01:55 PM by muzzleflash
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Yeah I agree totally.

We humans have to simply advance our minds to a point where we do not seek to harm each other or property.

This will take humans a LONG time though lol.

I believe that some of the more advanced aliens have their entire system set up along these lines though.

For it to work it has to be a collective effort at respecting each other. Something we humans just simply cannot achieve at this point, things have to change big time first.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 02:18 PM by concernedcitizan
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The leftist impulse has been to re-distribute wealth, but this gesture is incapable of finding a higher value than that wealth. The conservative approach has been to attempt "Social Darwinism" which rewards those who are most morally correct and possess heightened business acumen, but because this morality and wealth potential are represented through external behaviors, has no room for the growth of souls or character. We are living in an illusion that denies both inner world (personality, soul) and outer (natural, physical) worlds, thus we are intraverted: between our bodies and our personalities we are trapped in a false social representation of self that leaves us alienated to a greater degree.
What is the anarchist take on this problem.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 02:19 PM by Sinter Klaas
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Yeah !

We keep being unable to behave. What can you do ?

I think a lot of people are able to live in peace and love for there life and the community they live it.
Why keeping this from yourself if you feel like it ?
Because others ?

If mankind doe not Do what is right Then ther will never be change.
Their will always be those making others misseareble .

We are talking about proud and strong people living a live they think is their best choice.

We will protect ourselves and our choice. If it's nescessary.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 06:03 PM by sicklecell
Although you seem to mean well phlynx, i must admit that after reading your posts it seems you are most certainly not an anarchist, and dont even want a truly anarchistic way of life. (not attacking you just my opinion)

Anarchy from what i understand and invision is where every man (family), basically looks after themself, without authority, no leader and certainly no police force.
I dont think this could work in a 'modern' sense, think about going shopping in an anarchistic world, it would be chaos.
We would need to go 'back' a few steps (not necessarily a bad thing).
Each person would need theyre own piece of land to try and create theyre own self sustained living conditions, probably using techniques like permaculture and farming.

Also as others have stated you would need to have some sort of mutualy beneficial relationship with your neighbouring anarchists, possibly through the trade of supplies or some level of joint protection of eachother (you scratch my back i scratch yours). But like Sinter Klaas said:

This is not for some lazy ass bums, expecting. to be taking care of.

You would help your neighbours if in the future they would be able to return the favour, like wise, they would (hopefully) help you if you could later return the favour.

But honestly i dont think this will ever happen on a global, continental or regional scale, we are to much of a violent, short sighted species. But it does make an interesting discussion.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 06:20 PM by Misoir


reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 05:57 AM by Sinter Klaas
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This is actually a problem related to all ideologies.

Take for example socialism.
For mankind it would be the ultimate way to live.
No poor, no rich, equal rights. Health care and the certainty you will always be cared for.

We all know how it blew up in their face.
Only because this can only be achieved when everybody agree and feel the same way. From the moment some sort of force must be used, it won't work.
Also stop using money. You don't need it, if you get to a point where there is a like minded society.

Human have to evolve and lose old instincts or gain the ability, not being controlled by them.

Or it will never happen.

People who team up. Will only get the chance to do so. After memory fades. For the reason why they chose this way of live in the first place.

What will never happen before we alter our state of mind as a community.

Wel it's just what I think.


reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 06:10 AM by bob135
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I think some ideologies are more stable than others. There's certainly some degree of socialization that goes on in getting used to this system or that one. Europeans probably take many things for granted that Americans don't and vice versa. However I don't think attempting peaceful transfers of power and having representative government would quickly collapse in favor of other systems, while anarchy might.

I just don't see it as a question of "altering your state of mind." There are some things that you just have from birth - ambition, aggression, love, curiosity, etc. The best you can do is try to control these compulsions, but I just don't see any kind of anarchy that would prevent an ambitious charismatic individual from taking control.

That happens all the time in representative governments, but it's part of the plan (as long as he is voted into office), so representative government begets more representative government. Anarchy doesn't lead to continued anarchy.


reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 12:10 PM by Sinter Klaas
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I completely agree with you're explanation.

Where a balance is a personal goal, it can only be expected to be an issue, for a government what is unbalanced, because of our differences.

Probably democracy is also a result of the need for balance.
It's the only way to keep the balance as close to the peoples differences to keep them glued together.
Less balance means more problems or even war, or a dictatorial way of ruling.
And thus the reason for it's certain demise in the future.

It is interesting to see a cycling of events happening.
History shows us perfectly how civilisation is under ongoing change.




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