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At last! Have they finally found a 'weapon of mass destruction' in Iraq?

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posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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Look, it's common knowledge that Iran and Iraq used both Chinese and Soviet weapons for decades, with Western weapons thrown in for flavoring.

Even the WikiPedia entry for Silkworm Missile shows this same missile, and the accompanying photo is captioned "in Iraq"...

Wikipedia: Silkworm Missile


Silkworm missile stored at Umm Qasr in Iraq.

That's about as common as knowledge gets.

So, it's not great revelation that they'd find one of these missiles left over from earlier days.

— Doc Velocity



[edit on 2/6/2010 by Doc Velocity]




posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 02:35 AM
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Please state where in my post where I defended any of Saddam actions . Otherwise get off your high horse and actually bother to take in the point I was making .

Cheers xpert11 .



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 02:41 AM
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Doc Velocity ,



I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."


Is that why you feel the way you do ?

BTW I know for fact Canada did not agree with the invasion of Iraq. UN or not. Afghanistan yes .. Iraq not so much.

en.wikipedia.org...


The invasion of Iraq was strongly opposed by some traditional US allies, including the governments of France, Germany, New Zealand, and Canada



NOTHING
to do with the UN, China, or Russia.

Blair and Bush 2 real F heroes.


edit:
Added Huge text to emphasis so the god believing semi-retarded right F nuts could grasp.


[edit on 6-2-2010 by nophun]



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
[Please state where in my post where I defended any of Saddam actions . Otherwise get off your high horse and actually bother to take in the point I was making

WTF are you talking about?

You made a comment, concluding with "alas Saddam was not a decent strategist," whereupon I questioned the word "alas" — is that a lament? Or was it just a handy literary device to plug in there?

I immediately tossed that comment aside, saying it was neither here nor there — your lament or non-lament of Saddam's strategic skills was not germane to whatever point you were making, so I tossed it aside.

Now, I did not and have not accused anyone of defending Saddam Hussein. Because, frankly, I don't know anyone ignorant enough to defend Saddam Hussein.

And, if I knew somebody who was a staunch defender of Saddam Hussein, I'd have that person committed to a mental institution.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 2/6/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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Well I am sorry for the confusion . It seems like you went on a bit of a tangent not directly related to my post that's all . I am not sorry that Saddam is gone and I hope that Iraq becomes a successful democracy in the future .

Cheers xpert11 .



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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What's up, Doc. Why do you think Saudi Arabia remains untouched in that region of the world? I mean, they are a full blown dictatorship. Their citizens cannot speak their minds lest they be executed for doing so. Women are treated like dirt. Men are permitted to wed children. Many terrorists were born in this country. In fact I believe Osama Bin Laden calls Saudi Arabia his place of birth, does he not?

What do you make of the pictures of George W. Bush holding hands with the Saudi royal family? Seems like an odd thing to do for a man who is seemingly concerned about the freedom and liberty of those living in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the rest of the middle east doesn't it? Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia boasts about as much freedom as North Korea and all.

If the US was so concerned about terrorism, as well as spreading democracy throughout the middle east, then why is a country like Saudi Arabia excluded from their itinerary?

Perhaps someone should inform the previous president of the United States of America that the nation of Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. A dictatorship in which citizens who dare to speak out against the actions of their government are executed. Do not forget the homosexuals as well. Or the women who are raped and cannot speak out for fear of being punished themselves.





posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by nophun
Doc Velocity, Is [George Bush] why you feel the way you do ?

I have no allegiance to George Bush nor anyone else in our God-forsaken government. I hate our government, just as every American should hate his government and wish to change it. The only things I hate more than American government are foreign enemies of America, because I don't have to tolerate them at all.


Originally posted by nophun
BTW I know for fact Canada did not agree with the invasion of Iraq. UN or not. Afghanistan yes .. Iraq not so much... The invasion of Iraq was strongly opposed by some traditional US allies, including the governments of France, Germany, New Zealand, and Canada

And yet most of them joined in the fray and assisted the Coalition right up to Saddam's front door — even Canada offered "moral support" to the USA-led invasion.


Originally posted by nophun
NOTHING
to do with the UN, China, or Russia.

You don't know what you're talking about. When China and Russia twist arms, the UN listens. China and Russia are a couple of the biggest weapons dealers in the Middle East, along with the USA and Europe. When Russia grimaces, the UN takes notice. When China scowls, the UN takes notice.

That was the gut-deep source of the dissent in the UN... They didn't want to piss off Russia and China who have considerable financial interests in the Middle East.

Screw all these little European countries with their token opposition to or support for the invasion. The BIG players decide what goes down and when it goes down.

Russia, the USA and China are BIG players in the Middle East. Russia and China flinched when the USA moved toward war in Iraq, and the United Nations Security Council took notice.

That's where the UN opposition originated. Not in Canada, not in France, not in Germany, because, you see, those are small potatoes.

When the UN failed to give the USA its blessing, the USA proceeded to kick Iraq's ass inside-out. Nothing illegal about it. The U.S. Congress voted FOR WAR, we didn't need anybody's permission to go stomp a mudhole in Saddam's ass.

In spite of Leftist anti-war flames all across the country, the U.S. Congress kept funding the war; as the balance of power shifted in Congress, they kept funding the war; when George Bush finally left office, Congress kept funding the war; and Congress is still funding it, even as Prince Barack Hussein Obama is ordering 50,000 new troops into Afghanistan.

Now, I want you to sit down for about a week and study current events and study your history books, and you'll see that everything I say and have said and will say is spot on target.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 2/6/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
Well I am sorry for the confusion . It seems like you went on a bit of a tangent not directly related to my post that's all . I am not sorry that Saddam is gone and I hope that Iraq becomes a successful democracy in the future .

Hey, I am the king of tangents... I derail more threads than anyone I know. But I do make the effort to put them back on track when I can.

As for the people of Iraq, God have mercy on their souls, they need it. But the government has a very good chance of transforming Iraq into a strong democratic state. I wish those poor folks the best, but dammit the citizens need to GROW A BACKBONE to chase out the insurgents who are being trucked in from Jordan and Syria and Iran.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 05:53 AM
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Ok , have they found a nuclear warhead anywhere in Iraq? Have they found any evidence of the presence of nerve gas or other chemical weapons? Have they found any sign of pathogenic stockpiles, idustrial scale production of viruses and the like ? More importantly, have they EVER found a war head containing either chemical or biological components ?
The answer is NO.
A simple rocket does not constitute a WMD. It can only become a WMD if it has a component of either atomic, biological, or chemical nature. The paper which is running this story is sensationalising the situation by a considerable margin. Surely there is no body dumb enough to believe that this relatively simple device is capable on its own of killing hundreds of thousands of people? I put it to the board, that even if this item were in a state to be launched , it could not do that kind of damage without the addition of one of the aforementioned warheads, and that the story, its writer, and the publisher, are all scaremongering idiots.
OP,this isnt a crack at you , I just hate this sort of reporting.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 06:08 AM
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Is this just more scaremongering to justify us going into Iran etc.?

The News keeps coming up with these stories on a daily basis now, getting us used to thinking that the Middle East Terrorists have always been up to mischief and that we need to sort um out, yeehar and all that!



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 06:14 AM
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I don't support the Iraqi war whatever, but we always knew they had WMDs cos it was us that sold them to them.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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As to why Bush was all buddy-buddy with the Saudi family is because despite hearing the phrase "Line in the Sand" hundreds (perhaps thousands) of times during Desert Storm, not many people know where that line was...The Iraq-Saudi Arabia border.

The Saudi family can only rule so long as they can protect the Islam holy sites within their country. The minute they fail, they are out. The Saudi family was very deeply concerned that Saddam was going to topple their power as well during the Mother of All Wars.

The Saudi family allowed the US to use their country for a base of operations in return for US protection. I would suspect that anyone here would be very friendly with family members that kept them in power too. Let alone man responsible for capturing and putting to death the one man they feared could actually topple their regime.

Osama was a little too outspoken about the Saudi family allowing the US to have bases in Saudi Arabia. That makes him a bit of an enemy of the state to King Saud. But they had no problem with Obama's previous position of spending his personal fortune and time with the Afghans combating the Soviets, in fact it was admirable rich playboy thing to do like Bruce Wayne being Batman.

The Saudi family can't exactly personally go after their version of Batman, because he is a hero to the people of Saudi Arabia. But Bush, Jr. could and did. Add in the fact that over the years the US has made the Saudi family fortune grow considerably by buying all that lovely oil. Heck, for someone doing me all those favors and making me richer to boot, I'd stroke his knee or massage his shoulders if that is what he wanted. So holding his hand in public isn't that big of a deal.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by kleverone
It's a good thing they found that!!! It looks totally launch ready.

Kinda reminds me of a '72' pinto I used to own.




Your post made my day.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 08:14 AM
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posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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Somebody tell Tony Blair to get on down to Iraq and get that thing up and ready to go in 45 minutes. Line 2.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Is this the WMD they have been looking for?

Looks like a 'CSSC-2 Silkworm' missile or its Chinese copy which is known to have been supplied to Iraq and was fired against coalition.

Here is the Chinese copy of Silkworm


Secondly, the pictures also suggest that the troops "discovering" this missile did not seriously think it was contaminated with either nuclear of bio-chemical material - notice how nobody is wearing a respirator or NBC suit?

Third, just look at the depth the 'missile' or whatever it is buried and compare it with the height Jeep standing on the road. Look for yourself -- it does seem that the openings on this thing should just be full of dirt, but are not. The hole does not seem very deep. If it really was meant to hide wouldn't the hole be deeper?

[edit on 6-2-2010 by December_Rain]



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Sorry to burst some bubbles but a conventional missile is not a WMD by anyones stretch of the imagination.

The presence of the missile shouldn't be a suprise. Iraq operated theTU-22 bomber which could carry a single KH-22 Kitchen missile of the type this is believed to be - a missile the Soviets also used with a conventional warhead.

Iraq used its TU-22's in the 1980's Iran Iraq war.

I suggest this is probably a relic from that time.

I highly doubt the Daily Mail bothered to research those facts. Never let proper research get in the way of a good story, eh? - Especially when it lets people clutch at straws.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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First He points out that the openings in the object were dirt-free, which you would not expect if it were actually dug out of a hole.


Nice point, it doesn't look like it has been packed with dirt, some dirt exists, but it does look like it was just placed in the hole.

Could be a false positive find, they had one of these hanging around and decided to try and prove that WMD's existed, except for the fact that this has no warhead attached. An unarmed rocket or bomb is hardly evidence of WMD's. What I think of when I think of WMD's is canisters of really potent nasty stuff, or nuclear warheads, not the delivery system.



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by watcher73
Doc Velocity
Disinformation Specialist
Member

Thats about all we need to know. Proof is in his posts.


That's the best you can do? Sheesh. And I wasted all that time thinking that I was "converting you" into a neocon (watever the hell that is).

— Doc Velocity



posted on Feb, 6 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by friendlyprogrammer
No offence to smaller dictatorship nations, but we are living in an information age over 50 years after hiroshima.

If not now pretty soon every kid in highschool will be able to split an atom in his basement.

I agree this find may be political, but so what. Saddam was an assassin that killed his way to power (look it up). I feel safer with him gone.

We need a world with compassionate rulers who care more about their people than the amount of castles they have.

We intervened in kuwait and should have removed him from power at the time, as he started a unjustifiable war.

Kuwait was a rich nation and supported Iraq's war against Iran. Iraq and them were friends but Saddam stabbed them in the back for financial gain, killing innocent women and children in the process.

War needs to end and every nation needs to do their part to remove dictatorships and install democracy and safeguards.


Thing is Bush Sr did not want to have him removed from power. They were trying to convince him to fall in line with US policy. Remeber when he was wanting to start selling Iraq oil in Euros? That really really pissed off the US policy makers.
They actually liked having Sadam in power up until that point as he kept all of the various tribes in line. Realize that the different ethnic tribes in Iraq hate each other and without a hard line dictator there would have been outright civil war in Iraq which would be very very bad for the oil business.
Research some more and see how much the US used to like Sadam before the oil in euros fiasco. This war had absolutely nothing to do with WMD or overthrowing Sadam because he was an evil dictator.

Research the multiple countries that the US and CIA had their hands in to overthrow democratically elected leaders and put dictators in power that would follow the rule of the US and big corporate. Banana Republic, Ecuador, Panama, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc etc.

It is interesting how we in the western world know so much about the atrocities other countries commit, but we know very little history of what we have done in the past.

Here is a good start :

video.google.com...#






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