ALERT! - World governments admit to having capability of making tsunamis and earthquakes!!!, page 2
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reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 05:42 PM by NichirasuKenshin
reply to post by Outlawstar



Now cloud seeding was a real secret thing back in the 50's. You will find nobody on this board who will deny that cloud seeding technology exists and has been used at least since the 50's, occasionally for the most part.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:07 PM by Outlawstar
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
reply to
post by Outlawstar



Now cloud seeding was a real secret thing back in the 50's. You will find nobody on this board who will deny that cloud seeding technology exists and has been used at least since the 50's, occasionally for the most part.



Indeed, and are we really naive enough to think they havint made leaps and bounds in this area over the last 60 years?

Come on now folks....


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:08 PM by smurfy
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

Hi Nich,
A bass player comes close, just a matter of amplification.
I laugh, but, the right sympathetic sound frequencies can do a lot of damage, i've seen it. BTW a good point about cloud seeding, it amongst other (mundane) techniquies in use, would be a war crime according to that document.



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reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:11 PM by downisreallyup
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Please don't misrepresent what they wrote there. They do not say these weapons exist; what they say is that these are the kind of weapons that WOULD be banned under the treaty if ever developed.

This part seems to have escaped you:

"

ollowing examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention:

"

COULD !

and

"

when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result

"

WHEN.... WOULD... COULD.....

deny ignorance.




I would suggest you follow your own admonition...

Definition of CAN:


1. to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to: She can solve the problem easily, I'm sure.
2. to know how to: He can play chess, although he's not particularly good at it.
3. to have the power or means to: A dictator can impose his will on the people.
4. to have the right or qualifications to: He can change whatever he wishes in the script.
5. may; have permission to: Can I speak to you for a moment?
6. to have the possibility: A coin can land on either side.


The reason they made a very specific reference to these capabilities is because the ability to do these things was invented a long time ago by Tesla and it is not at all disputed that these technologies exist. The fact is, the reason they enumerated these capabilities is because they CAN be done. Notice that they didn't include the ability to destroy the earth by quantum disintegration, or the burning the earth using space-based energy weapons, or triggering a "nexus" type destruction as seen in one of the Star Trek movies... Do you know why they didn't include those? Because those are just science fiction and man is not capable of those types of destruction. That is not the case with these other capabilities however.

There are many patents out there that do things which could very well be used in a nefarious manner. For example:

Atmosphere Modification Satellite

What is most important to realize is that the devastating earth effects from man-made technology comes from harnessing the power of RESONANCE. Tesla made the following claims:



In a February, 1912 interview, in the publication, THE WORLD TODAY, Nikola Tesla said that it would be possible to SPLIT THE PLANET, BY COMBINING VIBRATIONS WITH THE CORRECT RESONANCE OF THE EARTH ITSELF:

"Within a few weeks, I could set the earth's crust into such a state of vibrations that it would rise and fall hundreds of feet, throwing rivers out of their beds, wrecking buildings and practically destroying civilization."

The article, "TESLA'S CONTROLLED EARTHQUAKES" (July 11, 1935 NEW YORK AMERICAN) stated: Tesla's "experiments in transmitting mechanical vibrations THROUGH THE EARTH - called by him 'the art of teleqeodynamics' - were roughly described by the scientist as a sort of 'controlled earthquake'."

He stated: "The rhythmical vibrations PASS THROUGH THE EARTH with almost no loss of energy. ...It becomes possible to convey mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects. ...The invention could be used with destructive effect in war..."


Others on ATS have attempted to debunk man's earth-controlling abilities by ignorantly appealing to the raw energy requirements that such activities would require. That is not how these technologies work. They would indeed be impossible if it were not for the exponentially increasing effects that come from frequency resonance. That is precisely what Tesla discovered, as he was not a mere simpleton when it comes to this type of thinking. He well understood how to use the principles of physics in order to amplify raw energy inputs.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:24 PM by downisreallyup
Here are some other interesting things to consider:

The combined effects of these transmitters, including the Russian Woodpecker, the new HAARP system, together with all the other ELF and VLF systems (such as those in Michigan and the GWEN Towers), are very dangerous. When operating simultaneously and during times of geomagnetic storms, THEY PRESENT A SEVERE THREAT TO THE ENTIRE PLANET.

The disruption of the earth's internal dynamo, and the disruption and alteration of the upper atmospheric magnetic belts (which constitute the external part of the earth's natural dynamo system), can create a premature reversal of the magnetic poles, worsen the newly discovered wobble of the earth's spin and possibly create a total polar reversal or earth shift. "During at least one reversal, magnetic north may have changed direction by as much as 4 to 8 degrees in a single day," (5/92 DISCOVERY MAGAZINE).

The 1/78 SPECULA MAGAZINE described Woodpecker effects: "An electromagnetic signal of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the earth which, when introduced into the earth at certain multiples of 30 degrees, will form standing waves in the earth itself. ...In certain incidence angle cases, the standing wave also induces a strange phenomenon: coherence to the standing wave is formed in the molten core of the earth itself, and a tiny fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic currents of the liquid core begin to feed into and augment the induced standing wave."

"At this point, one has established a sort of giant triode: the inducing signal one is putting into the earth is the grid signal, and the vast energy in molten core of the earth is the cathode and power supply. The established coherence serves as an amplification factor for the grid signal, and much more energy is now present in the standing wave than the minuscule amount being fed in from the earth's surface. By interferometer type techniques, multiple 'giant resonance' waves of this type can be combined so that a 'beam' or focussed effect of very great energy now exists inside the earth."

"Depending upon the frequency, focussing, wave shape, etc., one can...induce a variety of effects such as EARTHQUAKES, INDUCED AT A DISTANT AIMING POINT, SEVERE DISTURBANCES IN THE MIDDLE AND UPPER ATMOSPHERE OVER THE TARGET AREA, ..AND ANOMALOUS WEATHER EFFECTS. This is called the 'TESLA EFFECT,' originally discovered by Tesla."

The 3/31/92 NEW YORK TIMES reported: "The direction of the (earth's magnetic field) has changed and even reversed many times since the birth of the planet. ... The oscillations of the inner core may be affected by many minor but important factors including the dynamo that generates the earth's magnetic field."

The earth has "a solid core at the center, ringed by a liquid layer of molten iron, which is in turn surrounded by the solid mantle and crust. Within the liquid layer are several constantly circulating streams of iron called convection cells, which work like oval conveyor belts. ... Electric currents generate their own magnetic fields, and the currents created in the convection cells now generate earth's field. Disrupting the flow of the cells will disrupt the field," (5/90 DISCOVER MAGAZINE). Such disruptions are created by massive artificial ELF waves.

Typical earthquakes occur no deeper than 20 to 25 kilometers. A very rare deep quake just took place. The 6/18/94 SCIENCE NEWS reported that on June 8th, "a magnitude 8.2 quake emanated from 600 kilometers below Bolivia, PUNCHING THE PLANET HARD ENOUGH TO SET IT RINGING LIKE A BELL. ... The quake was felt in much of North America, even as far away as Seattle - a fact that has puzzled geophysicists. 'This is the first time we know of that a quake in that part of South America was felt in North America.' says Bruce W. Presgrave of the National Earthquake Information Center."

That organization reported that the 350 mile deep quake was also felt in Los Angeles, Omaha, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Toronto. Describing what Nikola Tesla had discovered many years earlier, SCIENCE NEWS stated: "Like a bell, earth has its own natural frequencies - or normal modes - which start ringing if the globe is hit hard enough. The most persistent of these modes causes the planet to expand and contract every 20 minutes, ALMOST AS IF IT WERE BREATHING. Scientists can detect this mode even 3 months after a great quake."



It Will Pass

There are many other such interesting things to consider when attempting to connect the dots in order to figure out what man is truly capable of doing to our planet.


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reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:27 PM by Neilc1972
reply to post by smurfy



lol i had some ampeg 4 x 10 cabs that came with this simple warning sticker "this equuipment may cause structural damage" you gotta love the low end frequencies!


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 06:43 PM by smurfy
Although the ENMOD agreement is not officially part of the Geneva Convention it is being used to consider certain activites that are ongoing, HARRP is one those activities that have already come under scrutiny and recently,

www.globalresearch.ca...

ENMOD has been ratified by both Russia and the US, and also the UN, which should include all the UN countries. Good post by the OP, the subject is both topical and problematic.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by smurfy]


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 07:06 PM by smurfy
Originally posted by Neilc1972
reply to
post by smurfy



lol i had some ampeg 4 x 10 cabs that came with this simple warning sticker "this equuipment may cause structural damage" you gotta love the low end frequencies!

Hi Neil,
That's how I came to be with ATS, (Asymmetrical Titanium Skullcap) when I played bass, I learned my lesson early, so it was mostly someone else that got hurt. That's why most bass players are never looking at an audience, they're looking up for falling Gargoyles or down for possible earthquakes caused by them.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 07:11 PM by downisreallyup
Originally posted by smurfy
Although the ENMOD agreement is not officially part of the Geneva Convention it is being used to consider certain activites that are ongoing, HARRP is one those activities that have already come under scrutiny and recently,

www.globalresearch.ca...

ENMOD has been ratified by both Russia and the US, and also the UN, which should include all the UN countries. Good post by the OP, the subject is both topical and problematic.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by smurfy]


Thanks for the reference to global research... yes it seems that there is a lot of talk concerning military/governmental weather modification for strategic purposes... I doubt it would be so if this was just empty conjecture...

I'm convinced that no matter what topic anyone presents, and no matter how much the "dots" line up, there will always be those who are well disposed to doubting and scoffing, forever holding up the banner of pseudo-skepticism, masquerading as level-headed thinking.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 07:31 PM by downisreallyup
Originally posted by Phage
Nice find. It's not part of the Geneva Convention though, it's from ENMOD.

If ever becomes possible to do those things, the agreement prohibits it. It does not say it's possible it says "could be caused", not "can be caused".



I think perhaps you are confused about the meaning of "could" :

CAN (present tense) = present ability (therefore possible)
COULD (past tense) = latent ability or possibility

You say "if ever it becomes possible" as if the word COULD has nothing to do with the concept of POSSIBILITY and yet, according to the dictionary, COULD means:


could   /kʊd; unstressed kəd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kood; unstressed kuhd] Show IPA
–verb
1. a pt. of can
–auxiliary verb
2. (used to express possibility): I wonder who that could be at the door. That couldn't be true.
3. (used to express conditional possibility or ability): You could do it if you tried.


The very word itself means that it is possible, at least conditionally so. So, based on the context in which the word is used, it is strongly implied that the capability does exist, either in theory, experimentation, prototype, or actual use.

For you to assume that the government would announce such a capability to the world is just asinine. It is well established in history and current practice that governments, especially military arms, have many secrets that are not made public.

If a potential military capability exists in a theoretical sense, it is highly likely that a secret project exists for its exploitation. This assertion is based on the fact that the military is always looking for strategic advantage, so it is illogical for any modern military to not exploit every theoretical approach that helps it achieve this overriding goal. This is a probability rooted in the solid understanding of a particular institution's nature and character.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 07:33 PM by smurfy
reply to post by downisreallyup

Hi down,
I missed a bit of text in my post with the link. When I said problematic, I should have added, "for Governments"



reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 07:52 PM by downisreallyup
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
reply to
post by win 52




As far as I know no one has ever reproduced the supposed earthquake machines of Tesla, every single attempt I know of was an utter failure.

If you have evidence of such a machine operating and producing repeatable results please inform us, I'd be most interested.

edited for grammar

[edit on 5-2-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]


People can't duplicate Tesla because Tesla was a genius of geniuses. 99% of all human beings are of average or above average intelligence... a very small number are geniuses, and men with the brains of a Tesla only are born extremely infrequently. The only reason we all know how to do things like A.C. power, and electric motors is because Tesla showed us how. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

Please do not underestimate the tremendous advantage that can be realized from having a significant increase in raw intelligence. It is by far the number one factor in determining the advances in mankind.


reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 08:05 PM by timewalker
reply to post by downisreallyup

Tesla was the man. One of my favorite reads about him was his "possible" ,emphasis added, involvement with the Tunguska Event of 1908.

For those who don't know of this Google Tesla Tunguska

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,150,000 for tesla tunguska. (0.39 seconds)



reply posted on 5-2-2010 @ 08:10 PM by Drunkenshrew
Originally posted by Outlawstar
Im surprised people are even disputing weather mod tech at this stage tbh.
Vietnam cloud seeding comes to mind, China olympics too.

Cant remember which colonel it was who camre forward talking about such tech, if anyone knows who Im reffering to, would be a great help!

Perhaps you are referring to Operation Popeye. Operation Popeye was a military cloud seeding operation during the Vietnam war. It should extend the monsoon season over the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
en.wikipedia.org...

This operation lead to the 1976 convention, which outlawed hostile environmental modification techniques and on which this thread is based on.

Climate Modification Schemes, by Spencer Weart

Meanwhile the government had secretly been spending many millions of dollars on a grand experiment in actual climatological warfare. The U.S. Department of Defense directed extensive cloud-seeding over the Ho Chi Minh Trail, hoping to increase rainfall and bog down the North Vietnamese Army's supply line in mud. The public did not learn of this until 1974, two years after the program wound down in failure. Many people were dismayed when they learned of the experiment. There followed a series of resolutions, in bodies from the U.S. Senate to the General Assembly of the United Nations, outlawing climatological warfare. The movement culminated in a 1976 international convention that foreswore hostile use of "environmental modification techniques."

www.aip.org...

See also: Weather Modification and War, by Peter Caplan
www.questia.com...

Or maybe you refer to the clip - NWO admits weather control:

This clip is also part of the ATS video portal. Does anyone know, how I can embed a video from there?


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 01:08 AM by Phage
reply to post by Drunkenshrew


Weather modification (cloud seeding) has been going on for a long time. It's efficacy is questionable. Cloud seeding relies on existing weather. It is not weather control and it is certainly not climate control, it is an attempt to induce precipitation. Sometimes it seems to work, other times it doesn't. The problem is, it's hard to tell if the clouds would have rained on their own or not. This applies to Popeye as well. It is not like Laos during monsoon is a very dry place.
Generally, you can't look at one individual storm. Would it have snowed anyway? You don't know. NCAR (the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.) is in Wyoming studying several seasons in comparison, where you seed one place and withhold another. Attributing one storm to seeding is very difficult unless the cloud system is incredibly simple, like fog that has no chance of precipitation. If you see snowfall then, that's pretty demonstrative evidence that you succeeded.

www.scientificamerican.com...

However, the ability to produce storms on demand, the ability to produce earthquakes, the ability to produce tsunami are beyond current knowledge and capabilities.


reply posted on 6-2-2010 @ 02:36 AM by mixmix
reply to post by Phage




However, the ability to produce storms on demand, the ability to produce earthquakes, the ability to produce tsunami are beyond current knowledge and capabilities.


I'm not so sure.
I just post a link to PAMIR earthquake machine on the previous page.
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