Etruscans were Turks .

second line .

I LOVE threads like this.....thanks so much for posting!

I don't know why, but I struggle with a pre-conceived notion of earlier generations being less intelligent Intellectually I know that's not the case, but its always a shock to me when I read something like this....which is why I love reading these things. Great to have those idiotic ideas exposed once in a while!

Interesting Article . There is archaeological evidence that a " Marine Archaic Culture " once roamed the worlds oceans going back in time some 30,000 years ago . There is also traces of settlements now underwater that once dotted coast lines along most of the western hemisphere. One day marine archaeology will shed new light on this somewhat unknown group of people, and maybe even find out what ethnic background they originated from .

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
Interesting Article . There is archaeological evidence that a " Marine Archaic Culture " once roamed the worlds oceans going back in time some 30,000 years ago . There is also traces of settlements now underwater that once dotted coast lines along most of the western hemisphere.

Pardon me for not taking your word for this.

I would certainly be interested in this "archaeological evidence" you claim exists.

Harte

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit

There are many studies being done to substanciate the Theory that Ancient people had roamed the worlds oceans as far back as 30,000 years ago . The Evidence so far is still questioned by some in the Scientific Community , but not totally disreguarded . Here are a few examples of the research being done in this field ...

" From that region of Africa as well as East Africa, diffusions of Blacks towards the Americas as early as 30,000 B.C. Are believed to have occurred based on findings in a region from Mexico to Brazil which show that American indians in the region include Negritic types (eg. Olmecs, Afro-Darienite, Black Californians, Chuarras, Garifunas and others).

In fact, your own link says precisely the opposite:


"Last November an international team of geneticists out of University College London and the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor published a key new study of genetic diversity among Native Americans. The researchers examined repetitive stretches of short DNA sequences known as micro­satellites in DNA samples taken from 422 individuals, ranging geographically from Chipewyan and Cree individuals in northern Canada to Guarani and Huilliche people in South America. What they discovered was that genetic diversity decreased from north to south and was higher among tribal groups living along the Pacific coast than among those residing in the continent’s interior. This suggested to the team that the first Americans migrated down the west coast of the Americas; only later did smaller bands—with less genetic diversity—move inland. Moreover, another new genetic study by Brazilian researchers pegs the date for that coastal migration somewhere between 18,000 and 15,000 years ago.

Taken together, the genetic and archaeological evidence now strongly suggests that ancient mariners from northeast Asia could well have explored the coast of the Americas at least 12,000 or 13,000 years ago, and conceivably earlier. Erlandson has found two stone tools and a bone bead on San Miguel Island that may be 18,000 years old, but he has yet to confirm the date via further excavation. “We need to know more,” he says."

There is absolutely no evidence of any migration from Africa to S. America.

All DNA studies have invalidated this idea.

And the "Zingh Empire" is simply a fiction.

Harte

I saw the article about the Asian buried in Italy in my local newspaper (probably because Canadians discovered it) and I knew that would end up here... :p One thing I saw there that the linked article doesn't mention is that the burial seems to have been totally Roman, and no Asian things were found at all at the site, other than the person himself. It makes me wonder whether the person even knew he was of Asian descent; maybe he was an ancestor of some explorer and had no clue why he 'looked different' from everyone else, or maybe he was an explorer himself, but assimilated so thoroughly that he preferred a Roman burial? Who knows, but it would be an awfully interesting story, how that guy got to Italy in those days.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit

There are many studies being done to substanciate the Theory that Ancient people had roamed the worlds oceans as far back as 30,000 years ago . The Evidence so far is still questioned by some in the Scientific Community , but not totally disreguarded . Here are a few examples of the research being done in this field ...

" From that region of Africa as well as East Africa, diffusions of Blacks towards the Americas as early as 30,000 B.C. Are believed to have occurred based on findings in a region from Mexico to Brazil which show that American indians in the region include Negritic types (eg. Olmecs, Afro-Darienite, Black Californians, Chuarras, Garifunas and others).

In fact, your own link says precisely the opposite:


"Last November an international team of geneticists out of University College London and the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor published a key new study of genetic diversity among Native Americans. The researchers examined repetitive stretches of short DNA sequences known as micro­satellites in DNA samples taken from 422 individuals, ranging geographically from Chipewyan and Cree individuals in northern Canada to Guarani and Huilliche people in South America. What they discovered was that genetic diversity decreased from north to south and was higher among tribal groups living along the Pacific coast than among those residing in the continent’s interior. This suggested to the team that the first Americans migrated down the west coast of the Americas; only later did smaller bands—with less genetic diversity—move inland. Moreover, another new genetic study by Brazilian researchers pegs the date for that coastal migration somewhere between 18,000 and 15,000 years ago.

Taken together, the genetic and archaeological evidence now strongly suggests that ancient mariners from northeast Asia could well have explored the coast of the Americas at least 12,000 or 13,000 years ago, and conceivably earlier. Erlandson has found two stone tools and a bone bead on San Miguel Island that may be 18,000 years old, but he has yet to confirm the date via further excavation. “We need to know more,” he says."

There is absolutely no evidence of any migration from Africa to S. America.

All DNA studies have invalidated this idea.

And the "Zingh Empire" is simply a fiction.

Harte

Hah!

Wow. You must be an immortal. Nephilim perhaps? Vampire? How does it feel to have seen the world's history? Is it hard to remember so many years of information? Does your memory fade with time or are you truly immortal?

You know nothing.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Hah!

Wow. You must be an immortal. Nephilim perhaps? Vampire? How does it feel to have seen the world's history? Is it hard to remember so many years of information? Does your memory fade with time or are you truly immortal?

You know nothing.

It is rather gratifying, the process of accumulating knowledge. In case you didn't know (and from your post I think it is safe to assume you didn't) this process is known as "education."

Education is a wonderful and fulfilling thing and I would reccommend it highly to everyone, even to you, in spite of the obvious fact that you abhor it.

Harte

I think that there were fairly high civilizations extant some 20K-15K years ago, but were lost when whatever caused the Younger Dryas. My money is on a comet impacting the Luarentide ice sheet. There's a lot of evidence emerging that things were more advanced at that period than we thought. One interesting sidelight is that the date that was given for the destruction of Atlantis corresponds to the Younger Dryas event.

Originally posted by apacheman
I think that there were fairly high civilizations extant some 20K-15K years ago, but were lost when whatever caused the Younger Dryas. My money is on a comet impacting the Luarentide ice sheet. There's a lot of evidence emerging that things were more advanced at that period than we thought. One interesting sidelight is that the date that was given for the destruction of Atlantis corresponds to the Younger Dryas event.

Evidence for this impact does exist, but is disputed.

However, evidence for any "high civilizations" from that time most certainly does not exist. In fact, quite the contrary.

IOW, there is plenty of evidence for hunter-gatherer and beginning agricultural cultures from that time, and no other types.

Harte

[edit on 2/9/2010 by Harte]

Originally posted by apacheman

"Fairly high" is a relative term.

Okay, I'll give you that.

However, "civilization" is not a relative term.

You should use "culture," or people will misunderstand what you are trying to say (like I did.)

I note that your amputee did not live on the coast. My assertion is that any unknown tech "lost" to the one-inch-per-year ocean level increase would have also been extant inland and thus should have left evidence.

An amputation indicates recognition that an arm is not going to re-attach. Not exactly an idea known only to "high" civilizations. But, I take your point.

I think it was in this thread that I said that I've always felt that Homo Erectus might well have traveled short distances on the ocean. That's pure speculation, but it fits with what you're talking about - that we don't really know until we find evidence.

Harte

Star & flag for you, good man.

Do not take the word of brainwashed, authoritarian types, that we were merely hunter gatherers in ancient times.

It is becoming more obvious that we do not understand ancient history, as shown here. Things that don't fit with postulated theory being taught as fact in schools, used to be covered up or destroyed by authoritarian types in the past.

Now, the age of the Internet has made this difficult to do. People, step out of the control set up by false theory. Step into the light. The whole world is watching and denial is getting exponentially more difficult.

i've always thought it was true. This just adds more ammo to the ammunition.

Consider the fact that western China used to have a large population of European looking ancestors, i mean with the eye and hair color. It's a possibility.

Not to mention the loads of pyramids to boot. It makes you reexamine what you've read and are told in mainstream books and school.

I wonder what the true story of our past is...

[edit on 9-2-2010 by cenpuppie]